Abortion, gay marriage, Sunday trading (sorry, strike that one off, as we like that now)… All evidence that we are losing it. The ‘look, once we could see Cathedrals and church spires on the landscape, now Mosques are where churches once stood’ type of statement are all laments about what is disappearing.
Now I do believe many things we see in society are huge sign-posts that there is a rampant sickness, so don’t get me wrong. Loss of values, an advance in Islamic presence – both certainly illustrate that not all is well. However, in this article I want to explore some other perspectives alongside that one.
A little aside… but with a point
Sunday-trading is amusing though. I remember when it was brought in. We were strongly encouraged to write to the MP… don’t use too overt Christian language such as ‘it will spoil my Sunday meeting’ but appeal to the need for a break in consumerism, family wholeness etc. All good reasons. But my question was, are we being asked to write from conviction and to use wise language, or are we being told to write because the real reason was the desire not to have the Sunday service disturbed? So was wisdom or deceit being appealed to? And now – those who were opposed to it I think in the main really enjoy a bit of Sunday trading themselves. At the same as there was a ‘Keep Sunday Special’ campaign, someone suggested if the reason for the desire to have a day of non-trading was genuine why not as Christians go for a ‘Keep Wednesday Special’. No takers on that one.
In Spain, it is great not to have shops open on Sunday. A good reminder that life consists of much more than buy what you want. So maybe (in the UK) it was sad to see the shift.
You have heard it said, but I say to you…
I am so grateful that I do not sit making decisions about laws for society. Personal beliefs and public policy do not have to coincide. I might have a personal belief in a seven-day creation but would that mean I would want to legislate against evolution being taught? I might have a view on same-sex relations, but what would I work to put on the statute book? Legislating about morality is so difficult, and when Jesus (for the disciple) put lust and adultery on the same level our legislative process becomes even harder.
So where do I want to go with this?
- A ‘Christian nation’ – a myth, and not a biblical concept. Geneva, Munster – no thank you. Wars in the name of Jesus against infidels – no thank you. I do not want to put all ideologies and underlying values in respective nations on an equal footing, but in the same way as we cannot demonise a people, so we cannot deify another. The right/wrong line is never between ‘us’ and ‘them’ but through ‘us’ and ‘them’. ‘Christian’ is not an adjective that can be tagged on to something, and certainly not on to one of our constructed atates.
- All nations are fallen. There is always a battle with regard to the Babylon that rises up and the New Jerusalem that comes down.
- The advance of the kingdom does not depend on a particular nation having success.
- We are to shape society, the salt of the earth is to be in the soil. (The salt from the Dead Sea being high in phosphates could be used as a fertiliser on the land and as a purifier on the dung heap). The salt is to encourage good growth and inhibit bad growth.
So picking up the latter point, and adding one other aspect to it, the aspect that in NT / kingdom terms are defined positively. (Sexual) faithfulness is not defined by a zipper that stays up; truthfulness is not defined by ‘I did not tell a lie’.
If the body of Christ has an authority this is not first of all through what it says but through how it lives. I do believe public proclamation and declarations also into the heavens above are vital, but it is the life of the Christian body that carries the authority.
So first, a preamble that is vital. The body of Christ is not perfect, nor do I believe God is looking for it to be perfect. He knows us well!! The body of Christ has within it enough failures and wounded soldiers. Grace is to be valued. We must have a theology of a second-start, and a third- and a fourth-, etc. In a short while I will touch on issues of divorce. I fully understand that divorce is a reality, that it happens for many reasons, and that unless I am truly able to sit where the other person has sat it is very hard for me to make a judgement. So in what follows I am not, NOT, judging any individual, anyone I know personally, nor anyone I ‘know’ through magazine or other reports. However, this does not mean we cannot make comments about the body of Christ as a whole.
Or to put it into another sphere, I believe Jesus taught the way of non-violent resistance, yet I respect those Christians who believed that the war in Iraq was necessary. Respect does not mean that when there is no sorrow about the loss of Iraqi life that I cannot raise a voice.
Help: ‘they want to redefine marriage’
What issues we face today. Maybe in years to come it will be seen to be no bigger than that of slavery. After all many ardent evangelicals were the supporters of slavery. At this stage I do not see the two the same way. I consider there is something unique about heterosexual marriage (rooted in the duality seen in creation: heaven/earth; land/sea; male/female). I know that there are some (evangelical) voices that will argue with that… and even if I am wrong the bigger point I am making I think still stands.
Society will inevitably re-define marriage because the church has already redefined marriage. ‘Till death us do part’ has become (and of course there is grace…) ’till it is not as convenient as before’.
And I live with the tension of not judging, but also feeling that it needs to be said when the divorce rate inside the church is as high as outside in some Christian nations we have a problem. In other words the church has already re-defined marriage.
The battle we face is not first and foremost a battle to Christianise society but to see followers of Jesus take seriously the call to discipleship. If we wish to see society define aspects in a healthy way then we are the ones who have to begin the process.
So it is time to define faithfulness, as making a positive contribution to the other regardless of circumstances.
They devalue human life
The widespread practice of abortion on demand is a sad statement about the value of life. Yet there has to be, in some measure, a correlation to how we treat others. If we dehumanise life we should not be surprised to live in a society that dehumanises life in the womb. It is too easy to dehumanise those of other faiths, to see them as the enemy, and therefore expendable. We cannot afford to do this as believers.
Jesus confronted Simon the pharisee with a question when a prostitute came in and wept over Jesus’ feet. Jesus asked, ‘Simon, do you see this woman?’ Simon saw a prostitute, not a woman. She was dehumanised. Jesus saw through the woman’s lifestyle to her heart, he saw a woman who loved much.
We might hate a system or a set of beliefs. Those beliefs might be anti-Christ or they might destroy the image of God in a people through control and domination. But it is so important that we do not then take it a step further to hating the people who are in that system. The image of God in humanity does not stop once I go outside my cultural boundary, or I go beyond my faith boundary.
Do good to all, especially those of the household of faith is a pertinent command that remains.
We certainly will only overcome evil with good. And if, as a follower of Christ, I can so dehumanise people, that I rejoice in their downfall and death, I must not be too surprised that those who do not claim the to have the same high view of humanity as I profess, terminate life in the womb.
Legislation is important. There is a ‘righteousness that exalts a nation’, but the controlling of society through making certain practices illegal will not take us too far; and the abandonment of the way of the cross by those who follow Christ will sow seed that produces a sad harvest in society.
We do not want to sit back and bemoan the loss. We want to live, love, cross boundaries, lay down our lives in such a way that we shape the world we live in.
Legislation is needed. But a dream would be even less legislation but a greater shift of norms leading to society being a healthy place to live.

“like”. hear hear.
There is something about the human condition I don’t understand until I realize that I’m human. If the sinner is repulsive I must have left the cross somewhere it doesn’t belong; I should probably, at such time, question my own salvation? If His mercies aren’t new every morning I’m dead in the water and Christianity just became more impossible let alone any other moral high ground ‘attached’ to it.
Being wounded and hurt through the process called life causes some funky behaviors. For example, there is something askew if a person rallies to save the whale only to turn right around and have an abortion. As difficult as it may sometimes be – seeing a hurting heart acting out in a mistaken identity may be a good start. Being a good sinner helps with relating to the sinner and better appreciating the true roots to the symptoms. Being a good sinner with new Mercies every morning helps me with the finger pointing. If God stoops for me I need to do a heart check if I struggle with stooping. I may need to double check but by estimation everything I have is by Grace…period.
You should check out the following speech given by Alexander Solzhenitsyn to the Harvard class of 1978 re: his assessment of America and where it appeared to be heading – it covers much of what you discuss in this thread – profound, prophetic and some other adjectives:
A World Split Apart
by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/harvard1978.html
There are times when I am more aware of how little I understand than at others. This is one of them. So…
I agree with all that you are saying (I really do), but what about the idea of ‘gates’. What about the idea of occupying those gates? I have always heard that to mean we need to be involved in these spheres. Involved in politics, etc. What was that for if it was not to exert a ‘Christian’ influence? Doesn’t it then follow that this influence exerts itself in just the way that you appear to be arguing against?
Hi Ken,
Love the comment, and I think you are really raising one of the key issues in this. What would a Christian influence look like. I think you are aware of Roger Mitchell’s work on ‘kenarchy’ which, for me, is a real pointer forward. If we also hold that Jesus’ death is to enable people to find the Father, and to defend their right to reject his offer of forgiveness we have something that is far from imposing itself.
I am certainly not saying that I have this thing sussed, as the more we engage the more possibilities it would be of a gate being influenced / shaped Christianly.
Interestingly I was (literally) dreaming this morning of being in political influence and of spending considerable time in prayer before entering a debate. In the dream it was: to have the right serving attitude myself; to obtain wisdom from heaven; and to hold in check wrong anti-God perspectives.
We certainly have nothing to fear about the Christian world-view in the public arena, but to act ‘Christianly’ might not always mean we are looking for the Christian outcome, but the ‘good’ outcome? Not sure how that would totally work, but shaped by what is the most redemptive perspective that could be brought in in this situation.
And finally, as believers we would also differ on what we might consider the most redemptive path.
I’m not sure how I feel about all of this Martin. I think Christians have real issues when it comes to marriage and abortion. Such as what does it mean to restrict abortions but leave mothers and children to live in poverty, without adequate food or medical care? Or how does that relate to contraceptive use? In the US many of those who are currently legislating against abortion are also against contraceptives even though women around the world say the being able to space children is their desire – it enhances their lives and the lives of the children, allows for education, reduces poverty and preserves the life of the woman to mother them. There are a ton of nuances here to be teased out and so often the attempt to legislate Christian morality
(because then our nation will be righteous and God will give us everything we want) is done with a blunt instrument, generally one that comes down hard on women and minorities (those who are different, those who lack a voice).
I think if we want to truly see God’s ways in our nations then we, who claim to know God’s ways, have to live that way. We have to choose, not to attempt to legislate everyone elses’ lives but to share, to care, to give, to fight for those who have no voice or anything else. And that includes caring for and fighting for other species and creation itself. Honestly, I think the church has been totally misguided in its campaigns to control reproduction and the family life. I think if we turned our attention to critical things, like creation care, and social justice, then in fact we might see people making much better choices than we do now. Women who feel supported in pregnancy and child-raising are less likely to choose abortion as an option (beyond medical situations) for example. I guess a key piece of evidence for me is that the states in American with the highest teen pregnancy rates are also the states that emphasize Christian sex ed, and restrict abortions the most, they also tend not to pay for contraception and have little or no funding for women’s health care. Countries that provide amply for women in terms of health care, education, maternal support and allow abortions have fewer of them and fewer teen pregnancies. Go figure.
Seems to me we should not be seeking a Christian nation at all. Haven’t we done that already, over and over again? And hasn’t it been a huge failure? And haven’t huge numbers of people been harmed over the centuries by it? Is there any justification for such behaviour at all at this point? Maybe if we just seek to live as disciples, day by day, always learning, always being challenged, seeking ever to care for others, maybe that would have a much greater effect, more than we could imagine! c.
Oh, and just for the record. . . I like Sunday shopping, do it all the time, did it today. Does that disqualify me from being a Christian? Here’s the deal. I can’t visit my church anymore anyway due to the need to dispense kitty meds on Sunday am. But I can grab my bundle buggy and hike the 4 km while he fasts, to the farmer’s market. And I love the farmer’s market. I walk in and see all those vegetables and fruits, all those colours and textures and I want to sing hymns to such a good God. Seriously, I want to though I control myself. When I did attend church it meant travel to one of the better shopping streets in the city, one I did not get to any other time. So after the official worship I would skip down to the bookstore, oh the joy of a bookstore when a bit of time is available. And then to the greengrocers to sing hymns about all those fresh fruits and vegetables. It felt like a second (first?) go round of worship. So Sunday shopping is just fine with me at this point. c.