“Change will have to come from outside, from the margins. The desert, not the temple, gave us the prophets.”
Wendell Berry
Where do I stand?
I totally love this quote that I read this week. There is a sense in so many that there is the cry coming from the margins. I have blogged before about how God loves the margins and how we need to learn to dwell in that place just like Jesus did. The sense that the main story would be written in the margins and not on the main page. That there would be a shift of focus from the gathered to the marginalised. This quote confirms what many of us know or have felt, that change would have to come from the margins. That place of the desert and not the construct or temple. The scattered would be the true gatherers because they would not gather for ownership but for the blessing of the other. That gatherings would become scatterings or sendings. A permissioning would be recognised in following all of our dreams and not one man’s vision. Life would be central and not the coming together. People equipped for life and not church stuff. As marginalised one’s ourselves we align with the marginalised. Some have chosen to live in this place while others have fell into by no choice of their own. Some have run away and found themselves here others have run towards. Many recognise they are broken and yet more complete than ever. Yet we have to learn from history because it is so easy to create a new centre around the marginalised. A new construct. History cannot repeat itself again, and yet the natural inclination seems to be to create an organisation around an organism. The pull of empire is so strong. The temptation to create structure is within us all. I think in the walk ahead this is where we need to be acountable to one another in relationship. Have others around us who will be honest enough to say to us ‘be careful what you are creating. Empire is strong and you need to get out of there.’
Where am I standing?
This quote did raise a couple of interesting quotes and questions from friends. Joanna Storie living in Latvia said, ‘I think it depends what you consider the margins and what you consider the centre.’ Mick Smith from Essex asked, ‘Not sure whether I am in the centre or on the margin! Is that good or bad?’ What are the margins and what is the centre? Of course perspective always comes in to this again. When we look at a map of the world (here in the U.K.) we see Britain at the centre and everything else to the right and left of Britian. We are the centre of the universe in our eyes. This is probably from the days of Empire when we truly were the centre of the world. A friend who is a pastor (yes I do have a couple
), David Jones from Tonypandy, went to live in Australia for a while. He said one of the things that struck him was the maps of the world in Australia that had Australia at the centre and everything flowing right and left form there. Centre was a sense of perspective, where I am, where I live. Everything revolves around me. I think that is the sense of centre and empire. Me. We can dwell in a life outside the construct and yet shift the centre to where I am. Empire then follows us and before long we will create a new centre. Centre seems to be an attitude and not a position. We can never go to church and yet be an empire builder. To be a margin dweller it has always got to be about the other. Jesus emptied himself or divested himself to come to earth. This is the only way we can remain as margin dwellers by emptying ourselves. This is easier said than done let us not pretend and be all super spiritual. This,’ it’s all about you Jesus’ stuff is great in theory but the practice is so hard. Why? Because the empire is always fighting back. There seems to be a pendulum through-out history that keeps swinging back to centre. Ask Wesley, Booth, Roberts and many others who lived for the margins. When they look down today (or from wherever they are) what do they see? Everything brought back to centre, organised, structure. The chain of history needs to be broken once and for all but it will not just be for the brave, it will be for the self-less, the broken, the weak. Those who can always give away and not keep for themselves. Only then will the margins be redeemed for others and not for the centre.
Defining Moments
As we close for this week here are a few more friends quotes, all trying to see what is centre and what is margin. How do you see it? Can we really dwell in margins without tainting them? Can we bring life and healing to the marginalised without centralising them? Can we let life be an organism without organisation? Let us encourage one another, and even more so as the day approaches, to lay hands on but keep hands off. To be a voice but not a director or dictator. To gather but send and release. To love but not to smother. To cover with love but not control. There has to be a new day where an ever growing movement of people remains an ever growing movement of people. Unorganised but focused. Spontaneous and yet life giving. Undefined and yet seen as people of the Way. Dwellers of the margins and yet the apple of His eye, the centre of His focus. Bringing change from the desert and yet remaining a margin minded people. The day of empire must end.
Alan Rees “I would define the ‘centre’ as the place of crowds and popularity. Where everyone applauds every word, all the books are sold, and the DVDs in demand (!). Where the money is, basically (if harshly). The margins are where issues are dealt with in life realities. Where the people are who do not seek a quick fix, but are there for the long haul. I am being over simplistic – but that’s me!”
Caitriona Dalton “to me, the centre is the organised, structured system and the margins are outside that, experiencing God in such a free way in life and in every person with Holy Spirit only leading the flow.”
Jane Almond ”I am a peregrinati, off the known map. Others want to be safe and that’s ok. I’d rather be free. For me, the centre is empire that contains all you’ve mentioned and more. Recommend The Critical Journey by Janet Hagberg and Falling Upward by Richard Rohr. Both helpful to understanding the journey out to the margins… Follow the wild goose! Honk, honk!”

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paul. Britian is just slightly to the right of the centre of the universe, Ireland:) apart from that a great blog. lol
Thanks Caitriona. Must look at my map again
This rings a lot of bells with me… The following section particularly hit me –
“The pull of empire is so strong… I think in the walk ahead this is where we need to be acountable to one another in relationship. Have others around us who will be honest enough to say to us ‘be careful what you are creating. Empire is strong and you need to get out of there.’”
Thanks.
Thanks Andrew. Appreciate your kind comments.
Ah Wendall Berry – one of my favourite writers. Just to note, this is a man who lives what he says. In his mid-70′s, last year, he occupied the governor’s office in protest over mountain top removal mining, and risked arrest. He did it on behalf of future generations. That’s what it means to live on the margins. I only hope I have the same kind of courage when needed! c.
Yes. Me too.
And me too Cheryl. Will have to check out some of this man’s writings. Any recommendations?
I think being margin minded is the crucial point. Daniel was living at the centre in Babylon but he was margin minded and kept walking with God even in the centre, then there are those like John, thunder in the dessert but still the centre came out to see him. I am in the middle of writing up a project and in order to do the research for that I have had to interview leaders at national level (no big deal we are talking a small country), but if the project does not highlight the voice of those at local level who feel marginalised then it will have failed. A cry for justice has to sometimes understand the empire structure and what it is really saying and then address that. So whether you walk at what others consider the centre or not, the margins or not is immaterial it is where are you called to be and what are you called to do and retaining that sense of being margin minded, always holding in your head that sense of justice for the poor.
Joanna I so appreciate what you have shared here. To be margin minded is always the key.
Ah!!! This is such a lovely post, such good questions and such a good reminder of how to live and love. Thank you!!!
I view the center – or centre
– to be where people want you to come in to something to be a part of it. Where you are told that this is where you need to come to hear a certain message and “be in fellowship”.
The margins are where I am going it alone, yet at the same time traveling with others, as we all tread along in our journeys towards Christ while learning to love others without being bound ourselves and without imprisoning those who we are loving.
“I sought to hear the voice of God and climbed the topmost steeple, but God declared, ‘Go down again! I dwell among the people.’ ” (John Henry Newman) I think I am beginning to discover in a deeply personal and profound way that the margins are where I get to serve people out of love and not out of obligation.
Shannon thank you so much for your comments here. So appreciate you and your contribution to the discussion. Bless you in your walk today.
Hi, I am from Australia.
But would/could you even recognize a True Prophet if he or she appeared?
If Jesus somehow reappeared as if out of no where, would he/she be recognized or even welcome at the Vatican or at any of the other seats of ecclesiastical power in the world, or even at your local church.
And at the installation of the current Pope? Which by the way was an in-your-face celebration of worldly, even imperial power. All of the heads of state and their generals (with their blood-soaked arms), and the captains of industry/commerce were there.
Could you even imagine that such a Prophet would be a SHE?
Such is certainly not even possible in the now staunchly patriarchal “Catholic” church. See for instance the book by Matthew Fox titled The Popes War Against the Church – misogyny rules OK!
Or the Anglican “traditionalists” who froth at the mouth at even the suggestion that women can be priests or bishops.
What has the shape of ones genitals got to do with the intrinsically given capacity shared by both men and women to be an inspired and inspiring priest?
Look at what the in-power ecclesisastical establishment did to the radical Spiritual Master Jesus. They conspired to have him murdered. By the way Jesus was always a Jew, and not in any sense a Christian. While he was alive he taught and demonstrated a radical, universal, non-Christian, non-sectarian Spirit-Breathing Spiritual Way of Life.
Look at how the “Catholic” church intially treated some of its greatest (prophetic) Illuminated Saints such as Saint Theresa of Avila and Saint John of The Cross, and Meister Eckhart too (to name three).
All of the great revered saints, yogis, mystics and sages of the multi-various Hindu tradition appeared on the margins, as if out of no where. Each of them in their own time and place renewed, at least for a time, the ancient Spiritual Culture of India.
No Illuminated Saints have appeared in the West for over 500 years now, or since the European Renaissance. The Renaissance of course began a process whereby The Divine Light and even the possibility of a truly Divine Life was very rapidly eliminated from the European cultural land-scape.
Nietzsche was only stating the obvious via his famous “God”-is-dead exclamation.
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