E-magazine vol 2.1

Don’t ask why vol 2.1. Just cos. Any way the more important element is that I have posted 10 new ‘blogs’ as part of an ongoing e-magazine project with a focus on the gates. Definitely worth reading and responding to… and maybe provoking you to write on an aspect concerning the gates.

(I will not focus on blogging in the next week or two – maybe a Revelation video, but the articles in the magazine will be the main focus.)

In this magazine we have:

  • Dyfed reviewing Roger Mitchell’s thesis Church, Gospel & Empire.
  • Chris Bourne takes up a challenge concerning the possibility of a ‘religion’ gate. I have previously said that we definitely do not want such a gate. The problem is again one of terminology. So see what you make of this article.
  • Money and discussions are touched on directly in a few articles: Deb Chapman, Joanna Storie, Nigel Dutson have written articles. I also have one there on creational wealth.
  • There is an article on art continuing to shape society in spite of money and power moving from the Western world.
  • And finally I have two articles. One on another angle about the loss of ‘Christian’ values in a nation. Here I suggest that it is a fallacy to try to defend the ‘Christian nation’ stance, and that followers of Christ are to shape society, they are to define norms, but not primarily at the legislative end of things. And one article on Values. I entitled this ‘Values: Unelectability’ because with values of honesty, openness and honouring an opposition that this would undercut self-promotion. So often advancement is based on self-promotion and advertising. To take a Jesus-path perhaps it renders us ‘unelectable’… or maybe not. The thought of the ‘maybe not’ is something that I am fascinated by.

So I hope you enjoy and interact with these articles.

Not sure when the next volume comes out. I am always looking for writers, and looking at the ‘gates’ we need a few articles on ‘family’, ‘education’, and ‘media’ in particular. So come on budding writers, come provoke us.

Also book reviews are really welcome. The subject area of the gates is a broad term. Anything that will help us grapple with the complexities of the Bible, theology and praxis.

Just a few ‘house’ rules. There is not a party line, these are perspectives, but nothing that absolutely writes everyone off who takes a different viewpoint is the spirit I am looking for. There is not one ‘Christian / biblical’ approach. An article that says ‘Christian schools are the only way’ is no better than ‘Christian schools are of the devil’. We are living in a fallen world so looking for a redemptive way through – a pathway that will be incomplete and imperfect. So come on the writers!!!

The articles can also be downloaded in e-book format.

So the end times #7

SOOOOOOO… we come to the end with many things not touched on.

Weeds and wheat grow together to harvest. Could indicate (and my expectation) that there is a growth to harvest in two aspects. Not one over the other, both alongside each other.

Mission is our task, always has been. Idle speculation, date-setting is at best useless and probably demonised. There is very little in the NT to give us a timeline, or to ‘help’ us say now we are at this stage. The world could go on for thousands of years or…

There are a number of ‘untils’ that might give some indication of what could take place:

  • restoration of all things
  • full number of martyrs
  • until reach the maturity of the Son of God
  • fullness of Jews etc.

But the issue on this is does this happen prior to the parousia – does these untils happen in the final generation – or does it happen throughout history. And for the more triumphant among us (myself included here) for example he comes for a mature bride – if this is simply the final generation this is problematic in the sense that this potentially makes the bride only the final generation!!! But surely the bride is the whole body of Christ throughout the ages.

So for me it is very simple: no rapture, tribulation will always be present, sometimes more than others, there will be advances and losses, no antiChrist, no millennium, we engage in mission… I am full of optimism but that optimism does not mean we take over – if we are going to see restoration at any level (and I believe that) we can only expect the same context – so I see a wholesale de-christendoming of our societies. And this is necessary as it is christendom that is feeding many false ideologies currently – of course this is another story all together.

So left a few loose ends, but the key is the horizons in the NT and knowing that ‘end times’ is not future but every day since Jesus.

We are in the end times, there will be an end time
We are in the last hour, there will be an end to the last hour
We are in the last days, there will be a last day

So the end times #6

19) Jesus prayed that the Father would not take the believers out of here – John 17. But to protect them while here. Christian presence is key, sown into the earth, calling for Jesus to come. ‘When the Spirit and the Bride say come.’

20) The Great Tribulation – mentioned in Revelation. ‘Who are these?’ John asks and is told that they have come out of the GT… This could be an event at the end… or more likely what we all face – throughout the history of the world. (Tribulation in Matt 24 relates to Jewish Wars.) To posit a GT worldwide is part of a system that has systemised Scripture with a one-world-government etc. That one world government is here and always has been (Babylon), and in the world we will have persecution / the godly in Christ will suffer persecution, said Paul.

21) Another question relates to the millennial rule of Christ… this only appears in Revelation in a very symbolic piece of writing. It is very problematic to make it fit into a system. (A little technical here) it fits the typical way of writing known as a chiasmus – if so then it does not need to be see at any level as literal.

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17) And on the antiChrist – are all the references to the same? The man of lawlessness / Beasts (Revelation) / antiChrist (1 John)? Do they all refer to one (future) world governor? 1 John is very ambiguous – ‘you have heard it said’ could mean and many have come and one will finally come / or it could mean this is what you have heard but the coming will be through many coming. So for me I am agnostic about such a manifestation. The value of believing in such a figure does not seem a factor, all such warnings about such figures was to stir believers now to hold fast to Christ – not inform them about some future event / person.

18) What is certain is if Christians withdraw there can only be a one-world government etc. In other words the salt of the earth is to do just that – the salt was the salt of the Dead Sea: used as a fertiliser and a sanitiser on the dung heap. To promote right growth and stop bad growth. I see the warnings as that – the battle is real. We already have a one-world government. Called the world / governed by the devil etc. I see the warnings about not buying and selling / 666 in that context. To be truly Christian will mean limitations when society oppose us – compare alien cultures such as Islam, communism, Nazism etc. We don’t have to look too far for 666!!!! 666 = number of humanity three times over, personified by Nero (the first of many clear antiChrist rulers) who fiddled why Rome burned and then blamed the Christians for it.

The Traveller’s Rest- Why So Offended?

Puzzled from Tonypandy.

Why is this journey such an affront to people inside the building? What is so difficult to handle and come to terms with just because I have chosen to walk a different path? In a place that preaches grace why do I have to bow down to law and be the same as everybody else? Is it really so difficult to grasp that there might actually be another perspective? Why so offended by a life so free? Of course I could go into all the good radical Christian answers and throw in words like religious spirits, Pharisees, people need to be open to God, but I find none of these phrases really that helpful because they are just words of the offence in my heart that people see it differently to me. I don’t want to be offended. I want to make a choice to not even be offended with other people’s offence. And that is tough because you know it questions the whole ethos and being of who you are or who you are trying to rediscover in the mess of the detox from the construct. That does not mean I cannot question why? Why do Christians get all touchy about certain things that are not even personal? Why do they get upset when you laugh at some of the stuff you yourself have been locked up in? When you use humour to reveal the sacred cows of places we once stood in? Some people who enjoy a good laugh seem to lose a sense of humour and get really defensive about traditions and buildings and keeping Sunday special. Why does a statement about being church rather than going to church get the shackles up in some when really they know it is true? As you can see this week I have alot of questions but the offence of this journey never ceases to amaze me.

Grit in the Eye.

Is it because I am like an irritant that won’t go away? Like a bit of grit that gets stuck in the eye? I really believe I would be easier to handle and suss out if I came out and said I am backslidden, I want nothing more to do with God. That could be comprehended on their chart of saved (committed to local church) or backslidden (away from God/church) or unsaved. At least then they could pray for me when they see me, believe for conviction to rise up within me so I put my life right with God or see how rebellious and disobedient I have become. How I have hardened my heart to God and His people. But to keep walking with God, still loving Him wholeheartedly, still worshipping, still loving people, and yes that is people inside as well as outside the established church, this is a puzzle to them, off their chart. That is why this walk cannot be right. You cannot love God and not want to worship with His people every Sunday. You cannot connect with God the same way in the aisles of Asda as you do in singing worship songs and hearing the Word. They want to right you off as backslidden but you keep appearing on the page. You are still in the story. You are a part of the picture of what God is doing. Loving, sharing, praying, sharing Christ, worshipping, walking in grace and joy and peace. This is annoying when you love things to be sown up and fenced in. People have unfriended me on Facebook for talking about life in Christ. Not unbelievers but believers. Unbelievers seem strangely drawn to such a life. These people are unoffended reading status’ about drinking at the weekend and getting wasted (and I don’t mean Sloshfest either), yet tell them you walked with God through the valleys on a Sunday and they go mad with you. A fence of offence has been built. As I said I think they would have stayed my friend if I said I leave everything and just want to go and get wasted.

Walking Grace.

This is where I believe we need to be different. We have to walk grace with people who see things differently or who may never see things as we see them. We do only see through a glass dimly. We have only got a perspective. We have to choose to walk unoffended. Love those on a different path or journey. Understand why people do not see as we see it. It helps me to realise that there was a time when I was sitting the other side of the fence judging people outside the four walls. I could not understand people like me. For those of you who resonate with my meanderings and journey I love you all to pieces but even we have to accept that our journeys and out-workings of that journey will be different. To understand how these people feel it would be like me announcing this week that I am going back to pastoring a local church (which I am not I hasten to add :) ). If we are not careful that could be offensive to us and we no longer want to be a friend of the one journeying outside of where we are. Instead of walking freedom we have created our own box and parameters of where God is at work today. We have to be so careful that grace is the way we walk. How do we show people there is a different way? Not by arguing or trying to convince but by walking grace and love. This may not get answers to all of our questions, and I have many in another week where I have lost friends, but grace and love are great disarmers. Disarms me of anger and offence at their offence, and hopefully begins to disarm others of their judgement of where we stand and walk. I choose to walk grace.

 

Appendix.

There will be no blog next Thursday as I am flying on Sunday to Latvia to visit Jo and Ian Storie. Will be accompanied again by my great friend Geoff Reed from Cramlington. Appreciate your prayers as we go to encourage and stand with this couple in their call. Joining some dots to see what picture emerges. A new form of mission, not going for meetings or preaching, but just to connect and encourage and stand with someone in their field (literally looking at the pictures). We return next Friday (the 1st June) so will write a report over the w/e of 2nd/3rd.

So the end times #4

11) So in short there is very little in the Gospels that has to be related to the Parousia.

12) One taken / one left – re-read with the Jewish war in mind (how the early church read it) and it makes TOTAL sense in that context – as does Matt 24 and parallels.

13) Rapture is very late teaching: J.N. Darby 1831 (possibly Edward Irving with some seeds in that direction in the same era)… then Scofield Bible (notes inside the Bible tells us what the Bible is saying thus disempowering the Bible), it is taken up by influential people like DL Moody. Popularised by Hal Lindsey etc. His (Lindsey’s) books make interesting reads. I have documented where his predictions and interpretations are always changing!!!! And in history there have always been antiChrists: Napoleon was a major candidate as he took the title of king of kings, and wanted to be the emperor of a revived Roman Empire.

14) Rapture in 1 Thess – the question is ‘what happens to those who die?’ Answer: they come with him – we are caught up to meet him in the air. Is it a literal catching up? Purely academic as it all happens in a moment, the twinkling of an eye. Paul uses the everyday language of the emperor visiting. Those related to him, part of his government went out of the city to accompany him back to the city with his entourage, so that the triumphant ones: emperor, those with him from Rome (HQ) and those locally part of his government / officials all came back to the city. So if there is a ‘catching up’ in a literal sense it is instantaneous. But as he is using imagery and language of the coming of the emperor to the city there is no need to see a literal snatching up – certainly not a secret rapture!

15) In 2 Thess 2 Paul answers the question as to why the ‘Day of the Lord’ has not come yet… Don’t be fooled by a letter. (Under Dispensationalism: the Day of the Lord is 7 years after the Rapture.) Easy answer would be ‘not come because you are still here, it cannot happen till we are snatched out of here… mind the pilotless airplanes!!!’ If a rapture was taught it would be like me writing to someone saying ‘Happy 2050′ – don’t think it would fool many with calendars being ripped up globally. We are in 2012, so my dates are WRONG. For me this is so clear that he did not teach a rapture. That day cannot come until the man of lawlessness is revealed.

So the end times #3

8) The Fall of Jerusalem is either 100% or 98% of the content of Matt 24/ Mk 13 / Lk 21. I lean toward 100% as when Luke who writes for a Gentile audience reinterprets what is going on such as ‘when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies’ for ‘the abomination that causes desolation’. The descriptions are geo-specific: flee to Judea; they are seasonal: not in winter; they are Jewish: not on the Sabbath. The assault on Jerusalem was horrendous with cannibalism, false Messiahs rose up etc.

9) It marks the end of the Jewish era – 40 years after the cross. The length of a generation that could respond or die in the wilderness. After that there is an increasing focus on the ends of the earth.

10) The sign of the coming of the Son of Man which appears in those passages is also on the lips of Jesus to the High Priest. This is not the Coming as in Second Coming – it is from Daniel 7, where one comes like a son of Man to the Ancient of Days in the heavens to be vindicated and to receive vindication on behalf of the people who are being oppressed by the beasts. Further Jesus here calls it is the sign of his coming – not his coming. The sign of his vindication is in AD70 so clear: the words of the Messiah have to come to pass – ‘these things will come to pass in this generation’.

So the end times #2

5) With the Easter / Pentecost events we have a shift in time. Normal (chronological time) continues but we now have eschatological time (kairos). So at the resurrection of Jesus there are also a bunch of people raised from the dead – tombs open (Matthew) and seen in the city. That cannot happen till the end!! We still wait for the end, but the ‘end’ is also a Person / a Presence. We experience now the powers of the age to come.

With the resurrection there is a shift in time... chronology continues but there is a breaking in of heaven

6) Because of time shift there are ‘horizons of vision’ in the NT. It is like looking at a range of mountains one behind the other – it is hard to tell if they are the same mountain and even which peak is closer. These horizons are related – they might be separated but they are all one eschatological event. I suggest that they are as follows:

  • Easter / Pentecost / Ascension
  • Fall of Jerusalem AD70
  • Subduing of the nations
  • The Coming of Christ / the Parousia (Presence) / Appearing / Day of the Lord etc.

7) The Fall of Jerusalem (66-70AD being the Jewish wars so well recorded by Josephus the Jewish historian, with false Messiahs, cannibalism, and over 1 million dying) is a very important part of this. It is the generation-length after the Cross that then marks the end of the overlap between the Jewish / Christian era. Coupled to the huge crisis in Rome 68-70AD when there were 4 claimants to the Empire’s throne in 18 months with the ‘miraculous’ survival of Rome (almost certainly the reference in Revelation to the mortal wound and then the survival of the Empire) marks those years as some of the most traumatic of all. It was not the end of the age in the sense that we think of the future, but it is certainly the end of an age and could indeed be the end of the age.

So the end times #1

I had an email from someone asking me for a simple summary of where I am on eschatology. The short reply would have been ‘maybe this, could be that, then again…’ but I wrote a few more lines, so I will post it here over a few days. No worries it is not exhaustive by any means. Don’t expect a tome, and there is plenty of agnosticism in it all.

I will numerate the points and try to start with some foundational perspectives.

1) Jewish expectation was for the kingdom to come – i.e. movement is from heaven to earth. The meek will inherit the earth / the righteous rewarded.

2) So a problem is ‘what happens to those who have died who were righteous?’ The (pragmatic) answer was resurrection of the body. They will not miss out. This is the same question being asked in 1 Thess 4 – it is not a question about the rapture (or its timing) but about what will happen to those who have died. Our normal answer is ‘they are in heaven / a better place’ (could well be true but not the Jewish / Christian answer). Sleep until resurrection is also a possibility, and given the strong perspective on martyrdom there could even be two possible ‘after-death’ experiences for the believer (a HUGE topic that last comment).

3) Mission – to the ends of the earth was the mandate for the church. To proclaim that Jesus is Lord… so make a response to the message and receive forgiveness and the promise of resurrection etc. ‘If we have died with Christ we will also be raised with him…’

4) The controversy of the NT in the Jewish culture was that they knew the end would be marked by a) an outpouring of the Spirit of God and b) the resurrection of the dead. So on Pentecost we have a controversial message released. To cap it all they proclaimed that God had vindicated Jesus as the Son of God, none other than the One who had been ‘hung on a tree’ so he could not be (in Jewish eyes) the Messiah as such a person is cursed by God. Hence, Paul persecuted Jewish (there were no Gentile believers yet) believers in this Messiah. Being zealous for the law he needed to kill those blasphemers.

Romania with NetWorks

It seems a life-time ago that we set off to Romania. Always a little challenging to travel from here, train, taxi, flight, 5 hour wait in Madrid, arrived after one more taxi ride just outside of Arad in Romania some 15 hours after walking out the door… BUT SO WORTH IT. We have both seen many wonderful projects round the world, but the work here has to rate right up there at the top.

It is hard to know what to cover. Hard to know what to pick out, and also hard as these guys have not publicised the work as they are focused on what they are doing. The story is not about them, but the story is for those who live there. So I can assure you that I am not covering very much in what I write, and I hope that I am not out of order to illustrate the hiddenness that they welcome when I say that one of the best know educative magazines in the world wanted to cover them in an article and they turned it down. (We, OK Gayle, took very few photographs. It just did not seem right to photo what was going on. This was about peoples’ lives… so sorry for the lack in what follows.)

Below is a link to their website (click on photo). For anyone who wants top quality exposure to holistic (wholistic?) mission we wholeheartedly recommend them.

screenshot from a page of the website click to go to the site

And here is a link to a clothing range (hats, snoods, gloves, etc.) Dece that is produced by local people, bringing employment to them. The quality is excellent, and the products are available. A top hotel in Sweden had Dece make aprons for the workers, and each worker had to be able to explain to anyone coming to the hotel what the design and name was about and the work in Romania. Much of the publicity is from those who do not claim to be Christian but have been impacted.

Working with the poor and disenfranchised, but also learning from them has certainly been a key. Lee (founder / director) said that most people are impressed when they come to a place and are surrounded by 100 people crowding them, but for him it is simply becoming recognised as part of the solution and no longer crowded by people, but real relationships are formed. For someone who looked after and lived with 19 street boys in his first house I think he probably has a lot to teach!!

We went to a rubbish dump area in Arad, home to around 1000 people, living in shacks. There they are putting in a school, giving out flour on a daily basis. No running water on the site, but the (bless them) EU have a mandate that in the school there has to be water for the kids to wash their hands in and they have stipulated the temperature of the water. Government has to be in touch with people, and something that is centralised in this way, in these settings, is totally inadequate.

with a greenhouse a family can be fed for 6 months of the yearGreenhouses… the people that they work with are poor but many have land, and through working with them they are able to bring them their own greenhouse. With this they are able to feed their family for 6 months of the year.

Poverty is everywhere… yet there are palaces being built. We saw around 30 of these in one small community. Inequality at this level is so difficult to come to terms with. Some of these palaces are being built with people sent out around Europe to beg for funds (for example) to build a church back in Romania!!

Palaces... some of it paid for by those giving money to build a church back home

Of course the work is not perfect, but when people are not telling you everything and they are not trying to make out the work is perfect it is so easy to connect. (Oh another encouragement… for years I have been saying that the world’s definitions are success and failure, ours must be effectiveness. Sometimes failure is the most effective. This is what we are now beginning to read in the literature of those who are pushing for a shift in the economic world of Europe. I have always maintained that when the city / society repeat what has been prophesied that we know the word has been seeded.)

Finally we had a couple of days in Hungary (Budapest) and then in Madrid. We wish to continue to dig into Madrid with walking the streets and praying. It is such a key time in the life of Spain… and Europe.

Here is a couple of shots from Budapest:

Budapest

Budapest

The Traveller’s Rest- Am I Still A Charismaniac?

The Gift Man

I come from a Pentecostal/charismatic background. That means right from the foundation of my Christian walk the importance, and sometimes obsession, of gifts was right at the fore. To become a fully fledged Pentecostal I had to get baptised in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues, that great unknown, untaught, supernaturally given language. This opened up a doorway to the other gifts such as prophecy, word of knowledge, gifts of healings etc. Thus the road to becoming a fully fledged charismatic. A word that seems to have got lost in translation a bit because although it seemed to be translated as ‘grace gifts’ it became less centred on the grace and more centred on the gift. More on what we were getting from God than on what we could give to others. Therefore it did not matter how we used the gifts as long as we had them. People would then become followers of gift men (and women). The greater the gift displayed the bigger the following. People in churches who showed a great openness to the things of the spirit were labelled, recognised, given positions and responsibilities. Mr so and so carries a great gift of prophecy, Mrs so and so is used greatly by God in healing. So good to have these prophets and healing evangelists amongst us. The weight of adding a ‘thus saith the Lord’ to anything was amazing. Charismaniacs were driven by God’s now word and anyone who questioned them were questioning God Himself. If God said it I’m doing it. I was caught up in this too because it was my church roots. I only ever saw the gifted and Holy Spirit empowered guys walking in the now blessing. Through life you can only walk in the revelation you have at a certain time, and much of that revelation is built by the past, by relationships, by the teaching of your upbringing. So for me to be seen for what I was carrying, the gift, recognised and encouraged to a life of that, just seemed the call of God, a vocation for life. To be seen as a good preacher or a prophet in the land was a fulfillment of the charismatic ladder. The problem here is that you get known as the gift man, and therefore synonymous with the gift, and never as the real you. How can you say you have nothing to say because the sky feels like brass when people are looking to the gift of prophecy in you? How can you just talk about the hurts that others have brought into your life when you are seen carrying that amazing gift of faith? The invincible one. The gift man for the hour. No wonder charismaniacs often have very few real friends, especially those from leadership positions. People who go through long periods of valley experience are normally dropped off the radar at some point. I am ashamed to say I leave behind me loads of people that I dropped somewhere because they stopped walking in faith or hit tough times. When gift is the key to everything and not relationship then when there is no room for the gift to be displayed there is nothing bonding anything. If obsession about walking in gift and being the gift man is what makes me a charismatic then I no longer think of myself in that way. Do I still believe in using the gifts? Yes. But I also believe in using love, patience and good old normal conversation about normal stuff. I love it that the people in work know me as just Paul. To them I am not a gift ministry but a person, a relational person. There is no performance mentality and yet they know what I live for.

Redeeming the Charis from the matic.

I see a new charismatic movement coming to the body of Christ. This wave has already hit us, the sad thing is it should never have gone away. We need to redeem the word charis from the word charismatic. It is the Greek term for the word grace. Charisma is favour freely given or gift of grace. I see a people who will be less concerned about what they have received from heaven in outward gift signs, and more concerned with sharing gift with others. A people known for their grace rather than their gifts. The gifts cease to be about who we are and more an expression of the grace flow of heaven. Healing will be about bringing wholeness to a broken life. Prophecy will be about helping others walk in destiny who are lost and alone. The gift of faith will be about believing in someone when they have lost all belief and fallen. The word of knowledge and wisdom will flow through everyday conversation without even an ounce of acknowledgement or super-spiritual voice over. The circle of grace will draw itself around somebody and embrace them rather than drawing a circle around a select few who have got it and viewing everyone else as outside the box. The grace circle does not speak in terms of insiders and outsiders, believers and pagans, it embraces people. Yes people with issues but haven’t we all got issues. I only have to look back at my life when I lived for recognition, position, gifts, titles etc. to realise I carry big issues that need to be challenged and ministered to continually. We are all built of something and we all need grace to grow into something. We all need it. In Christ we all receive it, as much as we have received we need to give.

Still Charismaniac?

So am I still a charismaniac? Some people may still think I’m a bit mad but that is my character rather than gifts I walk in. Do I still flow in the gifts? I believe all the time, but it has ceased to be about pulpit or public performance and more about daily expression of Who I carry. Used to be ministry stuff but is now about the flow of life. What I want to do more is walk in the Charis of God. The grace. Live grace, talk grace, show grace, love in grace. Whether at work or sharing at a gathering. And I want people to get to know me, the one sharing the grace, rather than me for the gifts I carry. And through the grace I want them to see the One who is Grace. Amazing Grace. I hate labels, I think they should only be for jars, but if I am known for nothing other than walking in grace then that would be enough.

Revelation #5

In this video I take a look at some of the numerical structure that undergirds the book. There are obvious ‘sevens’: seals, trumpets, thunders, bowls; less obvious ones: beatitudes, for example; and some lovely intriguing combinations such as ‘Jesus’ mentioned 14 times as is the term ‘Spirit’. The two by way of contrast that has always been a symbol of the message of the book is ‘Lamb’ and the list of cargoes headed for Rome (both come up at 28 times). The Lamb’s life is given totally (7) for the whole world (4), whereas the Imperial draw is to take everything from the whole world.

(Password: revelation).