Another interpretation?

So, hopefully without too much distortion, I presented the ‘normal’ Gospel – certainly the one I was brought up with – yesterday. What though if that presentation is not a true representation of what we find in the pages of the NT? Years ago in a process that is probably the root of the ‘new perspective’ on Paul E.P. Sanders suggested that Paul’s understanding was shaped by an awakening that Jesus was the solution, therefore the question he had to work on was what was the problem (plight). This of course is the reverse of most presentations. Problem = Universal Fall / Solution = cross. A personal response is then required otherwise personal guilt remains.

The implications of our understanding of the Gospel has enormous knock-on effects. So taking a cue from Sanders but not applying it as he did, what if we start at the ‘end’. The outcome is for ‘the reconciliation of all things’ under one head. The final putting in place, rightly ordering of all things – maybe what we can summarise as the fullness of the manifestation of the kingdom of God. Of course, for some, that might instantly lead them to a ‘Universalism’ conclusion – though by no means a necessary conclusion. With that sort of final outcome, the perfection of Creation it is necessary to understand the death of Jesus as being at a cosmic level. It is indeed a political event. The Gospel being political, corporate in its outworking. The church, as per Israel before, is not to be a separate community condemning the others, but a forerunning community of the community.

To reduce the Gospel to a personal level is a much more recent understanding of the cross (with such understandings as guilt / debt etc.). The prominent (though not only) early church view was one of dealing with everything hostile, disarming the powers that held the ‘world’ in bondage. It was not of paying a debt but of breaking the stranglehold of ‘Satanic’ bondage. Freedom from bondage – yes freedom from sin as that was the cause of bondage, but not primarily freedom from sin in terms of a ‘guilt’ issue.

We see this in Matthew’s description of Jesus’ ministry as ‘he will save his people from their sins’ (Matt. 1:21). That chapter places Israel in ‘Exile’, as living in the punishment resulting from their sins (or in Deuteronomic / Pauline words – ‘under a curse’). Unable to be who they were meant to be (not free as a result of sin) they were subject to all kinds of over-rulers. Rome, but Jesus had bigger fish to fry than Rome. Not simply Roman, but also internal with their own religious rulers who complete with their ideologies made their disciples even twice the son / daughter of hell that they were. Yet the internal and the external, the religious and the political rulers, were simply sub-rulers for the one known as ‘the Satan’.

The cross means ‘we’ are free from our sins and this has to be primarily a power issue, a transfer from one ‘kingdom’ to another. ‘Born again’ is an appropriate language to use, but we need to remember that it was to a religious leader those words were spoken. It is probably not inappropriate to use that narrative to suggest that Jesus could well say to many ‘born again Christians’ that they need to be born again or they will not ‘see’ the kingdom of God. Like so much of our language we reduce in meaning what it seems to me the original phrases implied. (Classic is where we reduce ‘being saved’ to something along the lines of ‘will not burn in hell at the end!’)

So what is the good news that is centred in the death and resurrection of Jesus? It is that there is good news. God is not condemning the building project that we have messed up so badly. The plans remain, our contribution to the debt has been resolved. It’s a new day, indeed so great is the transformation that those who can believe this will enter a ‘new world’ being energised in incredible ways to work on this project. The project being transformation. Those who likewise – even with other beliefs – but carry the same core values will be found to be ‘for us for they were not against us’.

Evangelism then is living and communicating in that context. It is living out an incredible generosity that invests in friendships even when there is no return (not even a ‘they came to Christ as a result of friendship evangelism’). It is being energised by a convinced hope. It is not proselytising but it is seeing the image of God in one and all. Evangelism is not seeing the only thing that counts as people coming to ‘salvation’ but the need to be consistent in faith. It does not mean no sharing of faith, no leading of people to Jesus, far from it, but it does not reduce evangelism to that level, which at its worst is simply a marketing exercise.

Now are those two just variations on a theme? Or are they two different Gospels. One Bible in common, one Jesus that the believer declares to be ‘Lord’ but some huge differences in application.

Here are some of the potential differences:
Jesus is Lord

  • personal Saviour whom I worship and this will affect my personal morality
  • or Lord of all whom I owe my allegiance to and has implications for my lifestyle in the light of global issues and my allegiance to all other powers including the state

Enemies of the Gospel

  • those of other faiths, and sinners in general
  • or those who oppose the values of the kingdom, those who align with the powers who rule

Sin has been paid for

  • Jesus died for our sins and I am no longer under wrath and guilt, and one day will not burn in hell
  • or, all the powers have been broken. Powers that were in place as a result of sin. Now we are free


  • Evangelism is witnessing and bringing people to a point of decision
  • or co-operating for the outworking of God’s order in and through all things

So dependent on the lens that it is viewed through will depend on what is seen. As for two pages or two Gospels, I currently think there is a small overlap. There is common ground but too much ground where there will be happy and mutually-beneficial co-working in the same space.

Different pages – same Gospel?

Words are a means of communication. What they mean will determine what is communicated. And the complex part of communication is in closing the gap between what I meant and what was understood by the hearer. So the word ‘Gospel’ and related words such as ‘evangelism’ I am finding are increasingly becoming challenging words. We can find ourselves using the same words but mean something different – certainly this can become evident in terms of the outworking. Maybe it puts fellow-believers on different pages, sharing belief in the same Gospel. Maybe it is not simply different pages – it might also be different Gospels. I am not sure on how to describe the differences, hence the question in the title.

In presenting positions there are very many varied nuances that are not represented, so forgive me for making a more rigid presentation than it deserves. However, a fairly ‘normal’ Gospel set of beliefs would include (and I take the quotes from The Gospel Coalition’s confessional statement):

1) Humanity is lost:

As a result, all human beings are alienated from God, corrupted in every aspect of their being (e.g., physically, mentally, volitionally, emotionally, spiritually) and condemned finally and irrevocably to death—apart from God’s own gracious intervention. The supreme need of all human beings is to be reconciled to the God under whose just and holy wrath we stand; the only hope of all human beings is the undeserved love of this same God, who alone can rescue us and restore us to himself.

2) Some are foreknown / elect to salvation:

We believe that from all eternity God determined in grace to save a great multitude of guilty sinners from every tribe and language and people and nation, and to this end foreknew them and chose them.

3) Jesus died for our sins – paid the price

We believe that by his incarnation, life, death, resurrection, and ascension, Jesus Christ acted as our representative and substitute. He did this so that in him we might become the righteousness of God: on the cross he canceled sin, propitiated God, and, by bearing the full penalty of our sins, reconciled to God all those who believe.

So given the above typical framework when I view the world – all are lost, and their ultimate destiny is one of ‘hell’. Jesus took the punishment due us (God’s wrath) and those who respond in faith to him (and only those foreknown can do this) are saved. Our task as those saved is to evangelise which of course means using appropriate language, and preferably through building a bridge for friendship to share the core ‘Gospel message’ and provoke a response. When the chips are down there is not a lot of value in other activity as there is a primary activity. If one likened it to knowing that people were inside a burning building and if they stay there they will all perish then anyone with a level of compassion is going to warn them, seek to persuade them, and perhaps even come close to dragging them out. Not to do so would be to knowingly allow people to perish.

Of course there are variations on the above, but probably that is not too far away from capturing the core.

But what if the ‘Gospel’ is understood differently? What if the above is not considered to be representative of the ‘Pauline’ Gospel? That is why it seems to me that either we end up on different pages, or maybe end up with different Gospels.

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