When I posted the interview with Michele I forgot to put a link to her writings at ‘Reflections from the unpaved road’.
(https://dmperry.com/2021/07/14/closets/).
Her regular blog will connect not just for those interested in the ‘shame’ area, but beyond. Michele, Gayle and I count as a friend, and particularly because of her honesty, transparency and hard-worked out wisdom. Check out her posts.