Open Zoom: All Israel will be saved

Here is the Zoom link for the evening (Thursday 16th April):

Open Zoom Link

ID: 572 803 9267
Passcode: 5GkMTA

A reminder: the article can be found by accessing the menu labelled ‘Journals’ and it is Volume 8. It can be downloaded or read online.

I suggest if you read it that you make notes particularly for any questions that need clarification. Not a short ‘breezy’ read.

There is also a short(-ish) video that gives a summary of what I have written.

I am aware this is a highly controversial / debated subject, so a quick reminder – do not come on board assuming I have now settled all discussions and am ‘right’… and neither come to the Zoom assuming that you are right!! we are not seeking to make a point but as the title to the series makes plain these are ‘explorations in theology and practice’.

The part that is ‘new’ follows the work of Jason Staples who has gone to great lengths to show that ‘Jew’ and ‘Israel’ are not synonymous. An article by Staples that can be easily accessed is here. In it there is a short explanation of how since the influential publication of Kittel’s Dictionary there has been a common assumption that Jew and Israel are simply synonymous… I put an extended explanation below (material from Staples)…


[In addition to lecturing on Rabbinic Judaism while wearing a Nazi paramilitary uniform in the 1930s, Kuhn (1906-1976) was, together with his mentor Gerhard Kittel, one of fifteen appointees to the “Institute for the Study of the Jewish Problem” established in 1936. He contributed several scholarly articles on the so-called “Jewish Problem” in the service of the institute, putting forth anti-Semitic scholarship with remarkable subtlety and scholarly sophistication.

But Kuhn is also the author of the entry in Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament on the terms Israel, Ioudaios (Jew/Judaean), and Hebrew in early Jewish literature, an entry that established the paradigm for how these terms and their relationships to each other have been understood for nearly a century—a paradigm now so dominant as to be regularly assumed without argument or citation across a broad range of scholarly literature.

Like most modern scholars, Kuhn presumed that the terms “Israelite,” “Jew,” and “Hebrew” were essentially synonymous or coextensive in early Jewish literature, with all three terms referring to the same group of people. Nevertheless, these terms are not evenly distributed across early Jewish literature like one would expect if they were completely synonymous. As a result, Kuhn proposed that Israel/Israelite is the preferred “insider” terminology, while “Jew” is a term typically used by outsiders and sometimes carries a nuance of disrespect or contempt, and was used by Israelites themselves as an accommodation when communicating in an outsider or diaspora context. As for “Hebrew,” Kuhn explains that this term serves as another “more dignified” alternative to the “deprecatory element that clings so easily to [Jew].”]


Here are the key points I raise:

  • Israel – defined ethnically or by faith. Not all ‘of Israel’ (ethnicity) are ‘Israel’ – a point Paul makes that would not have been controversial.
  • ‘Jew’ and ‘Israel’ are not synonymous so we cannot make ‘All Israel’ to mean ‘All Jews’.
  • Paul is seeking to defend God’s faithfulness to the promises in Rom. 9-11; those promises being made to Abraham and his ‘seed’. In Galatians Paul somewhat ‘cheekily’ holds that ‘seed’ is singular therefore it is a reference to ‘Jesus’. (Neither in Greek nor English does the point hold grammatically.) In Romans he is much more nuanced.
  • More nuanced but the promises are not made to Abraham’s descendants who are ‘Jews’ (tribe of Judah and Benjamin) but who are ‘of Israel’ (all tribes).
  • The Gentile mission is not the abandonment of ‘Israel’ (think ‘faith Israel) but is the very means that ‘all Israel’ will be saved. This is not a temporal statement but a modal one: ‘in this way all Israel will be saved’.
  • Leaning into other NT texts – those who come to faith from a Gentile background do not become Jews but are adopted into Israel. This also cuts through the divide on Acts 1:6 are you going to restore the kingdom to Israel at this time. The reply (leaning heavily on Isaianic texts) is neither a denial nor an affirmation (as understood classically) but again a modal answer.

I look forward to seeing you soon.

The YouTube (summary) video is:

All Israel will be saved

I am setting an ‘open zoom’ date for two weeks’ time:

Thursday April 16th 19:30 (UK time).

Two resources – a shortish video that will raise the poignant points in headline form:

I love the ‘in the moment’ thumbnail (I deliberately don’t change them!). Either I am making a point that no one can dispute or I am practising my kangaroo imitation – you decide.

In headline form:

  • ‘Israel’ is more a faith than an ethnic term.
  • Jew and Israel are not synonymous terms – so Paul is seeking to deal with the issue of God being faithful to his promises to Israel – his discussion is not about the future nor about the people in the land in his day.
  • He argues that God has not forsaken the people ‘Israel’… that not all ‘of Israel’ are ‘Israel’ – the term ‘Israel’ is smaller than the ethnic term Israel. That Israel is bigger than ‘Jews’… and that the Gentile mission is among the nations (where Israel is to be found) and there those of the 10 tribes are found and (God always works bigger) Gentiles also come in…
  • So in this way all Israel will be saved.

The above headlines are what I touch on in the video; the pdf that goes with this open zoom expands on all the above – and if you want to push in to the substance of my direction you will need to read that also.

When coming on the evening it is not about agreeing with me nor is it about forcefully presenting an opposing position. It is about listening and seeing where this might take us.

I will post a link to the Zoom nearer the time.

The pdf is found here: All Israel will be saved

Another date change

Next 'open' zoom

The next of the ‘open zoom’ evenings is now scheduled for Monday April 3rd, 7.30pm UK time. (NB: the change of date to MONDAY APRIL 3RD).

This evening we will have Spencer Thompson with us and the input he will bring will be both stimulating and practical. We have been focused on a ‘Kingdom Economics’ and at the time of writing this already two banks these past few days (with a third I am sure right on the heals of those two) have been suspended, making issues of economics highly visible.

Spencer lives in Edinburgh where he works as an economist in the Scottish Government. He’s currently on secondment at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation where he does analysis aimed at solving poverty in the UK. He also has an interest in theology and writes on the intersection between theology and economics.

Spencer will be introducing some of his emerging thoughts on the theology of counting. Counting appears to be inherent to the universe and innate to human beings, yet it is loaded with historical, philosophical, and theological baggage which needs to be unpacked. Particularly in the modern world, which is increasingly ruled by numbers, we are often blind to the ways that our thoughts and actions are shaped by this apparently neutral act.


Rosie Benjamin was with us last time and notes from what she shared with us to provoke discussion, with insight on both micro- and macro-economics, can be found here.

Invitation to a Zoom

Over the past months I have held (with Ro Lavender and Steve Lowton) a series of ‘open zooms’, gatherings unrelated to the books I wrote. We have one scheduled now scheduled for Tuesday December 6th, 7.30pm UK time. Here are the login details:

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5728039267?pwd=NEozVVM0Z1NJSDFKKzNwdG9KUDc5dz09

Meeting ID: 572 803 9267
Passcode: 5GkMTA

Peter McKinney is the invited guest and this will be the second time that he will have joined us. He will share from his own setting insights that I am sure will resonate, challenge and help clarify sight. Peter will help us tune in to the season we are in and help us navigate the challenging times that we are entering.

There are two more in the pipeline: one with Rosie Benjamin (February 7th) and then one (March 7th) that we will term ‘Kingdom Economics’ (more or less).

Look forward to seeing you at one or more of the above!

Tomorrow: invite and reminder

A quick post to remind you that there is an ‘open zoom’ tomorrow evening, Tuesday 4th at 7:30pm UK time. (NO OBLIGATION TO SHOW UP.) A few months back we began with a theme of ‘what do you see?’, ‘what do you notice?’. 3 months ago we were privileged to have some very insightful input from Pete McKinney, a perspective from Ireland (as well as heaven!).

This is the theme we are continuing to pursue.

This time we will have another voice that will bring perspectives from the edge. Rosie Benjamin has an African heritage and carries that joyful love of life so characteristic of that continent. I believe she has insights to offer us on how to keep joy and hope alive as we look to navigate the challenging times that we are entering.

Steve Lowton will hold the space for Rosie and for responses. Alongside Steve, Ro Lavender will help facilitate our responses and voices.

We are not looking for definitive responses, ‘truth’ (or maybe for us ‘something approximating to helpful perspectives’) seem to lie between us rather than reside within us an individual.

Here is the Zoom link for the evening:

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5728039267?pwd=NEozVVM0Z1NJSDFKKzNwdG9KUDc5dz09

Meeting ID: 572 803 9267
Passcode: 5GkMTA

October 4th Open Zoom

Almost 3 months ago we were privileged to have some very insightful input from Pete McKinney, a perspective from Ireland (as well as heaven!). Now we have another voice from the edge joining us in October. Rosie Benjamin has an African heritage and carries that joyful love of life so characteristic of that continent. I do believe she has insights to offer us on how to keep joy and hope alive as we look to navigate the challenging times that we are entering.

October 4th, 7:30pm UK time.

Zoom link:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5728039267?pwd=NEozVVM0Z1NJSDFKKzNwdG9KUDc5dz09

Meeting ID: 572 803 9267
Passcode: 5GkMTA

These evenings are not for experts, but for open sharing. Hearing, presenting our own perspectives and questions we carry. As we do that I expect we will all be enriched.

Look forward to seeing many of you there.

Perspectives