Want to join?

A heads up:

In the new year I am inviting anyone who wishes to come join me on a zoom link that will work our way through the first book I have written ‘Humanising the Divine’. No need to be smart (I am hosting!) and I will cover a little bit more than just what is in the book, so some material on how the Bible can (should: my bias!) be read as narrative and in its history; in the light of that a bit of material on the history that Jesus entered into; the unlikelihood that the message from an obscure part of a world-dominated landscape should ever have gained traction.

Honestly, no need to be smart / theological / no need to have read the Bible through forward and backwards… no need to agree with me… but I think it will be pretty good!

My plan would be to start in February. If interested it will help me if you simply drop me a line, saying ‘Interested, Mondays work for me at 12:30(UK time) and also Thursdays at 8.00pm’… or whatever days / times work – after all I would never want to put words in your mouth / email!!!

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Big people and small vision

Probably the wrong title

I was involved in hosting a small group on zoom last night where, with our combined wisdom and knowledge of everything important, we took on a look at Luke and his political emphasis, with a ‘so what does this mean?’ kind of tentative conclusions. I enjoyed and benefitted from it, though cannot speak for the others who were involved.

Before my very clever post for today, just a note that when we use the word ‘political’ in the context of above / the Bible we are not thinking of political party, nor of focusing the word into politics as we know it today – national, regional or local. It really is the whole of a contribution to how society is and interrelates. In the context of Luke (and so of Paul) it is seeking to discover the vision they had to see a one-world dominating system be transformed into a society where one and all can prosper in their humanity.

The title of the post? Yes… seems that’s the way round we get it. Only the gifted will prosper, and the vision extends to… but never extends to the whole world being transformed, or at least the whole world being transformed through the honouring of the other, the promotion of ‘love your neighbour’. No I am not talking of the ‘social gospel’ but of the political gospel that proclaims a re-ordering of the whole world, through a core who are living from heaven, those who are ‘like the wind’, unpredictable.

I am convinced the title is wrong. It should be something like crazy, totally unrealistic, are you really out of your mind, level of vision, and who do you think you are. Are you serious? Maybe your much learning has driven you crazy (that was addressed to Paul, not the rest of us!!)…?

I cannot read the NT without thinking, hold on a minute I am not sure I can go there. Certainly I don’t think someone could make it up, or if was made up it would never have legs to travel anywhere. It really blows a hole in the whole pessimism that so often the eschatologies we grew up with / read books on. Seems rather than a message of antiChrist coming in to Christ’s space, we really have Jesus as Messiah came into antiChrist’s space. I think a little better / a lot better approach.

And then it is small people. Now I can breathe. Me / you. And the whole of life is political – I sow where I want the world to go… How I treat the guy I met on the street this morning sleeping in his cardboard box, who does not know where he came from – Russia or Ukraine he told me. What can I do? Small people, like me, feel disempowered as we do not know what to do. But maybe I can start with ‘humanising’ him. Political.

In the hearing of all the people he said to the disciples, “Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes, and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, and to have the best seats in the synagogues and places of honour at banquets. They devour widows’ houses and for the sake of appearance say long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.”

He looked up and saw rich people putting their gifts into the treasury; he also saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. He said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them; for all of them have contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.”

When some [Matthew indicates this at least includes the disciples] were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, he said, “As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down.”

Luke 20… 21, with comments and emphasis added.

What a passage! Take out the chapter division and here we have a few interesting developments:

  • Religious leaders, who (by default / design) devour widows’ houses.
  • He also saw a poor widow.
  • The impressive temple – occupying around 1/4 of the land that made up the city of Jerusalem, and even among the elite of Rome it was marked as being full of splendour and glory.
  • A remarkable prophecy!

I actually consider that the prophetic was released by what Jesus saw, released by the widow’s act. To prophesy the end of Jerusalem as was might have been expected. John the Baptist was certainly on track with that, the High Priest was worried about that, after the time of Jesus, the historian Josephus was well aware that this was a distinct possibility… but not one stone on another? That really pushed it, but here it is ‘adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God‘ and those beautiful stones were going to be totally dislocated.

We love to be in the know! Making a prophetic act of ‘I will put my 2 coins in here as a sign and then make my declaration’ cos I know what I am doing. Or as per the widow, probably not even thinking for a minute that her act was significant, innocuous, small… Small people, clueless people. Unknowingly political.


A little footnote… these scribes were those were ‘loving honour at the banquets‘ (deipnon: same word Lord’s Supper, also the banquet meals to honour the empire in the Imperial world of Rome, etc) . Banquets were a big part of holding the Empire together. Who one invited and where they were seated was really important. By so doing you were showing your allegiance to the way things were. Contrast, Jesus’ instruction to invite those who cannot invite you back, that instruction was hugely political and disruptive to society’s status quo; or James’ instruction not to give the person with the rich clothes the best seat – no he is not thinking the ‘best pew’, or sit near the elders!!! It is a meal setting. The Lord’s Supper, so political! And when it was not expressing something that was anti-Imperial-order Paul said ‘in the following (your behaviour when you eat together) I can give you no praise at all’. When you eat, you proclaim the Lord’s death till he come… death of all imperial power and a proclamation of one’s non-allegiance to it. Till he come, the true Prince of Peace.

The broad way… to life

Jesus warned that the path to destruction was broad and easy.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it (Matt. 7:13,14).

Absolutely true. So why the title? I have been drawn back again and again to the creation narratives. Tempting people to become like God when they were created in the image of God is as crazy as suggesting to someone who is sitting at the wheel of their car, pulled up at the traffic lights, that if they ate a specific fruit they could drive on once the lights changed. A simple reply with ‘You had better come up with something else, for that one will definitely not stick!’ Though stick it did.

The part that has stood out to me about the garden has been the generosity of God. Eat whatever you want. It’s easy, the path is broad. All the fruit is for you. Enjoy. Ah… don’t eat of that tree over there. What just avoid one tree and its fruit? Yes the path to death / destruction is narrow, narrowed down to one tree in the whole garden, or to misquote the words of Jesus (or really simply quote Jesus but in a different context) ‘for the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to death’.

What a change eating from that one tree made. Overnight the motorways / freeways became dust tracks, and the dust tracks became highways. Not only that but where those original routes led to was changed.

Let’s jump forward though. Redemption changes everything. Conversion is no small thing. Paul moved from being ‘righteous’ pre-conversion, and not righteous through some kind of good works, but through allegiance to Scripture, to (a post-conversion) understanding that all that time he had been a blasphemer, someone who misrepresented God, acting on God’s behalf, in line with his Scriptures and in doing so taking God’s name in vain. Little wonder he had a few years in the desert working through the implications of his conversion. Peter moved from having clarity on what was clean and unclean to a few days journey trying to reconcile how he had made the mistake of thinking he had just passed the test that he had revised for all his life to realising he had turned up in the wrong exam room, and that the old exam was redundant. Redemption transforms!

I am convinced that when our ancestors left the garden, trudging eastward that Someone went with them. Many times unseen, for if one loses sight that they are in the image of God it is then very difficult to see the Invisible. [Ezekiel saw this, with his vision of the water flowing eastward from the Temple (the Garden of Eden was a Temple) and wherever that water went it brought life.] Cleopas and Mary on the road to Emmaus eventually saw that he was with them, once they ate (of the tree of life, for Jesus is the bread of life). They were a visible ‘incarnation’ (not literally) of those first couple. En route the God who trudged with them from the Garden, carried the death sentence, from there to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to the cross. They knew what they were doing, or so they thought. They released Cain (Barabbas: ‘son of the father’) and sentenced Abel (Jesus) to death. The leaders, the crowd, the Romans, the ‘you’ and the ‘me’ we knew what had to be done, for we also had eaten along with all those before us of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In so doing we killed the ‘author of life’. But God raised him up… raised him up for all of us, who truly did not have a clue, for ‘we did not know what we were doing’.

What were we doing? We thought we could be like God because, first we would decide what God was like… A distorted view. A God who is above life, above struggle, above… A God untouched, unmoved. A God who rules all and every situation with power, a click of the fingers and it is all done. Now the temptation has some traction, for we want to be like that god. You will be like ‘the god of your imagination’ once you eat of this tree. The tree of… but they don’t have a clue what they are doing. It’s not really about the fruit, it’s about pausing when coming close to that tree, and then saying ‘no need for that fruit’. No need to settle on one fruit, all, ALL the others are there for us.

Conversion does not seem to be a one off experience, in the sense of turning and being changed. Every time we approach or are tempted to pull from that tree we can pause and find a conversion moment.

So back to my title. I need to make sure I am on that broad road, the one that leads to life. If I am going to stay on it it probably means I need to check I have the right view of myself.

Sect or Cult?

A bit of fun with terms... maybe provocative?

Moving away from the safe territory of the previous set of posts I thought I would jump into a little foray on sects and cults. The post is a little (but only ever so little) provocative.

‘Sectarian’ although strictly just meaning to belong to a particular sect often manifests in prejudice, discrimination and hatred. Sects can breed sectarianism in this sense of opposition to others, but a sect does not necessarily have to mean that is the outcome.

A sect is recognised as a sub-set within a broader classification (more later on this). A cult though is viewed as having deviant beliefs (or behaviour / practices) and therefore not true to the core beliefs of what it is loosely connected to. Traditionally, for example, Mormonism has been viewed as a cult, with sufficient beliefs that made it different to ‘orthodox’ Christianity. Some ‘cults’ are later rehabilitated and accepted (and maybe if we have a particular political allegiance and someone from that former cult is running for a position of power that just might influence the push for acceptance?).

There are three core monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three connect in some way to the biblical stories. Judaism has the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh (although this latter term is late, originally it was known as the Mikra, meaning that which is read). The Tanakh, we can say, corresponds to our ‘Old Testament’, and Christians add a ‘New Testament’ (and of course within the big Christian traditions there are different authoritative writings (canons)). Islam has the Quran and holds respect for prophets such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus; Muhammad being the final prophet. The Quran being the words from Allah that he communicated to Muhammad via the angel Gabriel.

Islam, the most recent of the three monotheistic faiths, has an interesting beginning. The context is of Arabia where Muhammad receives a revelation in a cave. In an animistic / polytheistic culture he proclaims there is one true god (Allah being the Arabic word for ‘god’). Into that context that is quite a proclamation.

Was his revelation from heaven? Was there any part of it that came from heaven? Or was it simply ‘demonic’?

A sect is a distinct grouping within a wider context; essentially believing that they are more faithful to the worldview and beliefs of the wider group they belong to. In the Jewish world there are, and certainly were in Jesus’ day numerous Jewish sects. We come across two main ones in the NT, with the Pharisees and the Sadducees. There were others, certainly the Essenes (maybe they based themselves at Qumran with the Dead Sea Scrolls being related to them); the Herodians might be more a political distinction than religious; and likewise the Zealots might be a term more related to their proposed methodology than to their religious party affiliation. It is for this reason we cannot really say ‘the Jews believed’. In the time of Jesus the Sadducees were the dominant group inside the Sanhedrin. They were less in favour of oral tradition than the Pharisees, who in turn were further divided dependent on which of the Rabbis was viewed as the one to follow (in Jesus’ day the schools of two rabbis, Hillel and Shammai were well established and their different views on divorce lay behind the question posed to Jesus about divorce, a question that was intended to set him up). Pharisees believed in resurrection, the Sadducees did not (which shows how much we read into Scriptures when we insist that such beliefs are there in the Old Testament). Probably the Pharisees carried greater weight among the people and influenced the common understanding; and certainly post AD-70 it was their approach that became the dominant one, with Rabbinic Judaism becoming mainline Judaism.

Paul was a Pharisee, and he excelled within that. He was righteous, zealous for the Law, such zeal being in line with Old Testament action, such as the ‘righteous’ actions of the sons of Levi who slaughtered 3000 fellow-Jews, in order to keep the people pure. (Did the later Paul have the same interpretation of their action as he would have held before his conversion?) He persecuted followers of Jesus… Jewish-followers of Jesus as there were no other kind of ‘Christians’ at that time. He would not have been interested in whether a bunch of renegade Gentiles developed some kind of faith in Jesus, for after all they never were part of the chosen people. I think his attitude would have been ‘believe what you want, you’re damned already’. On the other hand if Jews were to proclaim that Jesus (crucified and therefore evidently cursed and not the son of God) was the Messiah that would only provoke God to anger. Paul knew that he and his fellow Jews were already in trouble, so to prevent compounding the problem, he being devoted to the law, was motivated to persecute any unfaithful person in Israel. He went house to house to cleanse the people.

His own reflections were:

  • He was righteous according to the law and his traditions.
  • He now understood that he was a blasphemer (he had been misrepresenting God),
  • and was formerly ignorant (so says Mr Highly Learned Saul of Tarsus!).

His conversion was no small thing. It was more than a tweak, and perhaps there is real value in suggesting that he found the solution (Jesus) so had to then work backwards to find out what the problem was.

We could describe Christianity (followers of the way) as another Jewish sect, though perhaps Paul would have seen them as a cult.

Here are a few wacky suggestions.

  • Maybe Islam is a non-Jewish Jewish sect / cult, with a belief in Abraham et al.
  • Probably Islam drinks from the well that much of Christianity became, the Christianity of power, control and Christendom.
  • The revelation that is in Jesus of who God is (and also who humanity at core is) positions faith in Jesus in an interesting place. Islam the god of power, sovereignty… I pause for a moment, so how different is that from the god of much of Christianity / certainly the god of Christendom?
  • Maybe Islam (some forms of) and Christianity (some forms of) even go beyond that of a Paul-as-Pharisee response to not only purifying the people of faith, but wanting to purify one and all, and produce a Christian (or Islamic) nation. Shock… I don’t see that as being very smart. Going beyond the one who claimed his behaviour was blasphemous?
  • Jesus, the Incarnation, the humility, the eternal servant-nature. Scripture does not suggest the Incarnation is a temporary revelation, for we read that ‘being in the form of God’, Jesus, being God, acts in a God-like way and empties himself.
  • Maybe there are forms of Islam, Judaism (the one that Paul adhered to that later he said was a misrepresentation of God) and Christianity that are all from the same well. Do they have a revelation from heaven… in part?… or simply demonic? That well being ‘God sovereign over all, and we live from that basis’?
  • What if we are all sects of the big worldview that there is only one true God? All thinking we represent the God we believe in just believing we are doing it better than all other sects.

I used to think I was part of a sect (Protestantism is full of sects) that was pushing to be true to what Jesus had revealed (centred on ecclesiology: the right form of church). I wonder if I should push it wider and ask if we are all just a variation, a sub-set of a bigger monotheistic belief, and perhaps we would do well to seek avoiding crossing the line and becoming a cult. And finally how deviant do we have to be (belief and / or behaviour) to no longer be a sect but to become a cult?

I have come to believe

https://peteenns.com/episode-189-pete-enns-faith-and-the-new-normal/

Our beliefs about God change, and change they must as we understand something fresh about the ‘mystery’ that is God. I from time to time listen to Peter Enns and his podcasts. Peter describes himself as a ‘German left-brained’ person, and he has both a serious intellect and an honesty that led him to resign from a career position. This podcast is worth listening to in its own right and in the light of the previous posts I think it carries a relevance here. I pick up on one aspect:

[John Wesley] He’s the 18th-Century founder of the Methodist movement. And the Quadrilateral is, I mean one way of putting it, it’s a way of explaining how we arrive at our beliefs about God. And quadrilateral, there are four things that sort of work together and they’re scripture, our tradition that we’re a part of, our reasoning ability, and our life experiences. So, scripture, tradition, reason, experience. And these four things, they’re always influencing each other, or better, they interpenetrate each other. None exists in isolation from the others, and none can just survive on its own.

For example, if we’re trying to understand whether, say, let’s just pick a totally hypothetical scenario, if we’re trying to understand whether one can be gay and a Christian, what are you going to do? Well, one is certainly going to engage scripture, that’s part of the church’s tradition, the church at large, you don’t ignore the Bible, you’re always dealing with it somehow. But how one engages scripture is informed by, well, the particular Christian tradition that we might be a part of. It’s also influenced by our ability to reason through things and discern. And it’s also influenced by our experiences as human beings. The life of faith involves not just reading the Bible and like getting objective truth from it, but rather, it involves our whole being, our traditions, our reasoning and our experiences. That’s why people who differ can actually enlighten each other. We bring different things to the table, different angles from which to look at something very complicated.

Another aspect that I found interesting in the podcast was his consideration that historically evangelicalism grew as a reaction to fundamentalism, and that evangelicalism has in many parts collapsed into fundamentalism, so much so that he maintains that there are numerous people on the ‘born again’ side of things who could not be described historically as evangelical.

Sexuality, Same-sex, Transgender PDF

In response to the millions who have requested the recent posts in one place here is a pdf of the posts. For those who want to take it further I also recommend that stories are listened to, that we hear what is being said before we seek to push back.

https://3generations.eu/posts/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Sexuality-Same-sex-Transgender.pdf

Transgender

(I owe some of the material here to Greg Hartington who presented a number of us with a paper that helped us get some understanding of the terms, and then helped us discuss some of the issues.)

The world of hetero-sexuality is not monolithic, neither is the world of homo-sexuality, and we should not try and place transgender somehow under any ‘homosexual’ heading. In this section I will simply add a few comments, given that the Bible does not cover this area directly. Transgender is not a sub-section of ‘gay’, but in as much as it does not line up with the binary categories some of the principles of interpretation from the previous sections will also apply.

It is important to grasp the definitions that are in common use so that we can navigate what is being discussed with some measure of understanding.

Gender Identity: how I think of myself; my psychological sense of gender. What I think. (So much of which is formed in the womb.)

Gender expression: how I live, how I behave, what I wear. How I look and act.

Biological sex: genitalia, body shape, hormones, chromosones, brain structure. What I have.

A trans-woman:

  • Assigned male gender at birth
  • Biological sex gender at birth
  • Gender identity is female
  • Has transitioned to female expression, and may also have had physical surgery.

Likewise a trans-man is the reverse of the above description of a trans-woman.

Sexual Orientation – another element: to whom a person is attracted romantically and / or sexually (and the attraction romantically and sexually might not be the same). Who I love.

The table that follows indicates factors that seem to determine male / female.

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XY Chromosones XX Chromosones
Hormones: androgen, testosterone Hormones: progesterone, oestrogen
Male genitalia, body shape Female genitalia, body shape
Male Brain Structure Female Brain Structure
Male Identity Female Identity

Usually, all of these line up neatly. For example, someone with XY chromosomes gets hormones for male development in the womb, and then is born with male genitalia, and grows up through puberty into a typical male shape, with a male brain structure and who thinks of themselves as male. And vice versa for women. (The brain structure is somewhat debated as to whether there is a clear difference, but it seems there is considerable weight of opinion that favours this distinction.)

BUT NOT ALWAYS.

(There are cases of Intersex… where it is not clearly defined as above table shows. The biological markers not fitting the binary approach.)

And some people have a deep-seated, permanent sense that their gender identity is different from the one assigned at birth. There might be many diverse factors in this, but there are in some cases at least some biological cause.

Is gender reassignment surgery necessary? Not all wish this. And it is NOT the same as surgery for (e.g.) cancer, as any surgery is related to identity and seeking to bring the ‘felt’ identity, the gender that is identified with and the biological sex in line. There are those who wish to suggest that the emotional identity should therefore be re-aligned (healing, therapy, counselling?). This can be argued for but a strong counterpoint is ‘WHY should emotional realignment take priority over the physical?’ Rather than home in with a view that we have a situation of gender confusion we could be better involved in seeking to give support to the person who is actually seeking to correct any confusion!

Other notes:

Conservative Judaism

An influential body of rabbis of Conservative Judaism in the USA (less strict than the Orthdox wing of Judaism, is the second-largest denomination in America. The largest, the more liberal Reform movement, passed a similar resolution previous year, and the small Reconstructionist movement is similarly supportive) passed a resolution 2016 calling for synagogues to be ‘explicitly welcoming’ to transgender people.

The rabbis’ resolution began by stating, ‘Our Torah asserts that all humanity is created b’tzelem Elohim, in God’s Divine Image.’ It discusses historical evidence of ‘non-binary gender expression’ in Jewish texts dating back to the third-century Mishnah, and points out current-day discrimination against transgender Americans in employment, medical care and voting rights.1

‘Cross-dressing’?

In the Babylonian Talmud (Nazir 59a), the (Jewish) Sages argue that it is not plausible to read the verse in Deuteronomy literally, since wearing the clothes of another gender could not possibly be seen as an abomination. Instead, the Talmud understands the Torah prohibition this way: wearing clothes of another gender in order to falsify your identity, and infiltrate spaces reserved for the ‘opposite’ sex, is what is forbidden. The key point here seems to be that cross-dressing is only prohibited when there are ulterior motives involved—in this case, the violation of another person’s space and therefore trust. When it comes to cross-dressing in and of itself, the Talmud is crystal clear: ‘There is no abomination here!’

Deuteronomy 22:5  ‘A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.’ The word translated as ‘clothing’ here, keli, is translated elsewhere as ‘armor’, and the word translated as ‘man’, geber, normally means ‘warrior’. This implies a prohibition against intent to deceive by pretending to be a warrior, or for a warrior to deceive by disguising himself as a woman.

Examples to consider

Jacob preferred to be with his mother at home, enjoyed cooking and was smooth-skinned, in contrast to his brother, who was hairy and preferred to hunt and be outdoors. (Genesis 25).

​Joseph, Jacob’s son, was given an ‘ornate robe’ by his father (Genesis 37:3); the Hebrew word used here for the robe (ketonet passim) is used elsewhere to mean ‘the kind of garment the virgin daughters of the king wore’ (2 Samuel 13:18). This is the only other biblical example of this word.

Coat of many colours / long sleeves / or…

Gen. 37: 3

(ESV) Now Israel loved Joseph more than any other of his sons, because he was the son of his old age. And he made him a robe of many colors.

(NIV) Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made an ornate robe for him.

(NRSV) Now Israel loved Joseph more than any other of his children, because he was the son of his old age; and he had made him a long robe with sleeves.

2 Sam. 13:18

(ESV) Now she was wearing a long robe with sleeves, for thus were the virgin daughters of the king dressed. So his servant put her out and bolted the door after her.

(NIV) So his servant put her out and bolted the door after her. She was wearing an ornate robe, for this was the kind of garment the virgin daughters of the king wore.

(NRSV) Now she was wearing a long robe with sleeves; for this is how the virgin daughters of the king were clothed in earlier times.

The Resurrected Jesus & Eschatology

A further question is not how these situations relate to Creation but what sign might be within them with regard to something eschatological. In the series of books ‘Explorations in Theology’ I suggest that the Incarnation is located in the very sharp end of human failure, the world of the male and the Jew, and that as a Jewish male Jesus died. His death is not to demonstrate Jewish male supremacy, but to nail those to the cross. If we follow that trajectory I posit that Jesus, not as Jew nor as male, but as the firstborn of all those who are to follow is raised; no longer Jewish… no longer male.

Perhaps spiritually (culturally, emotionally and inter-relationally) the insistence by the binary-only advocates and the insistence of the transgender advocates could be suggesting that in the very conflict of opinions we have a sign that our world is pushing toward something that is not yet visible, to a gender-free new age. If that be so, we focus on (as we always should) seeing each other no longer after the flesh, but in the light of a new creation. In order to live at peace with one another we would then need to give space for people to express themselves gender wise in the way that is most comfortable for them, in the temporary season before the parousia when (as I see it) gender and biological sex becomes something of the past.

Some pastoral / practical notes

In suggesting that the Bible does not condemn all forms of homosexual relationships, nor that of the transgender community, we should first be very careful about placing on anyone who identifies in some way within that community a burden that is too heavy to bear. Our first response should be one of acceptance and embrace.

In the same way that God does not approve of all heterosexual expression we do not assume that God approves of all homosexual expression. What is done sexually is important.

Although we can critique an agenda that some carry of pushing a freedom of experimentation, we also need to understand that this can be seen as a minority voice pushing back against what has been oppressed, where there was an implicit restriction and only one path (binary). Perhaps an over-reaction and one that carries an agenda… but that will always be a perspective held by the majority.

Damage can be done by a climate that pushes a direction where, for example, one undergoes surgery to regret it later; however, one has also to acknowledge that an insistence on ‘therapy / deliverance will cure’ can cause huge damage.

Given that the Bible can be made to (almost) say whatever we want it to say, we have to respect those who take a different view to ourselves. What cannot, though, be respected is any hate or dehumanisation.

There will always be a variety of personal stories. They help educate and can even persuade us of a position that might or might not change our previous perspective. However, we should not take a story that defends our position as therefore the only authentic story that can be universally applied to anyone whose (e.g.) sexual orientation was the same as the story-teller.

We probably have a tendency to want neat lines that can be drawn that gives us some simple principles to apply. Given the deep core identity issues that are within us when we explore sexuality along with the strong views and pressures that are within society, we have to readily accept that there will be situations that do not work out as easily as we would like. In those situations we are willing to journey with people and try to help find the most redemptive path forward. That path might differ from person to person.


1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/01/the-rabbis-of-conservative-judaism-pass-a-resolution-supporting-transgender-rights/.


Thanks for reading these posts. I have no intention of offending anyone. My plea is not that anyone agrees with me. We have to live with our own conscience and integrity. I think we benefit enormously when we hear those that we disagree with also… and that stories are so important. My journey is not that of someone else. We journey uniquely, seeking to discover what ‘pleases the Lord’. The video below is of a baptist pastor from Dallas and his journey of discovery.. His integrity, openness and honesty is without question… again this does not make his path the right one, but I suggest a more than informative and challenging listen.

Pauline Texts: 1 Corinthians

(Seventh post on same-sex relationships.)

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

We read,

Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes (malakos), sodomites (arsenokoites), thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

There are two words that are difficult to ascertain their meaning, and a scan of various translations (not to mention commentaries) will reveal how uncertain the meaning of those words are. They are translated (NRSV above) as ‘male prostitutes’ (malakos) and ‘sodomites’ (arsenokoites).

The list starts with fornicators which centred in on sex with prostitutes and this is followed by the term idolators, not a direct sexual word but as temple prostitution was an element within much pagan worship there is an implicit link. Adulterers referred to sex with another person’s partner. Jumping over the next two words we come to non-sexual sins, starting with ‘thieves’ and ending with ‘robbers’. Dale Martin provides extra-biblical material that suggests that the ‘sodomite’ word (arsenokoites, the term immediately preceding these final words) had a range of meaning of ‘economic exploitation by some sexual means’.1 If such, there is a logic to progression in the list and this word acts as a bridge from the list of sexual sins to that of robbery.

Again it does not seem that Paul is using terms that we could broaden out to castigate all and every form of same-sex relationship. The term malakos (NRSV male prostitutes) is fairly well attested, and does not always carry a sexual connotation, for example the clothing of John the Baptist is contrasted, by Jesus, to the ‘soft’ clothing of those who live in palaces (Matt. 11:8). It could be, by extension, ‘temple prostitutes’ as per the NRSV, or it could be referring to those who are not diligent at a work level and in their freedom pursue sexual satisfaction without boundaries. What exactly Paul intended the term to mean is beyond certainty for us.

I have already quoted Dale Martin’s perspective that the second term (arsenokoites) had an economic element within it. With this word it is even harder to ascertain what Paul meant, indeed it is possible that he created the word as this is the first example in ancient literature of the word being used. He could well have been influenced by Lev. 20:13 where the two words that make up Paul’s word here appear (in the LXX – the Greek translation of the Old Testament that was in common use). The words are ‘male’ and ‘bed’… a translation of the LXX reads:

Whoever shall bed a man as a woman…

It is possible that Paul has that Scripture in mind (one we looked at in an earlier post) but that text was written into a wider context of familial incestuous relationships. We would be pushing beyond the clarity of the text to use it to condemn all forms of same-sex relationships.

This word (arsenokoites) also appears in the later Pauline letter of 1 Timothy (in 1:8-11). There is occurs again in a list of vices, a list that starts with murder, then lists sexual sins, and then this word arsenokoites; and from there to ‘slave traders’, those who are exploiting others for financial gain. (Given that slave trade in young boys for sex in the ancient world took place the immediate link to ‘slave traders’ makes sense.) Whatever Paul intended the word to mean it serves on both occasions in the list as a bridge from sexual sins to that of exploiting others either because one has economic power or to gain economic benefit. Although unclear as to what is the intended meaning, the context within the passages and the historic / cultural context probably means that we should either limit it to cover pederasty, or sexual practices that involve oppression of the other person.

Conclusions

With regard to the term ‘homosexuality’, which by nature means ‘same sex (attraction)’ (including female/female), there is simply no evidence to support this term being in sight within the Scriptures. Leviticus does not seem to be universally prohibiting all male/male intercourse, but the prohibition fits the cultic background of pagan religion and probably narrows into incestuous relationships.

The same can be said of the NT writings, where Paul’s use of a term that he may have coined does not seem to cover all and every situation of male/male nor female/female intercourse. The term probably points toward domination of others sexually and economically.

We are entering the ground I sought to lay out with the example of how we apply the money-lending prohibitions. Not all same-sex intercourse (and specifically same-sex committed relationships) are in the same category as what we read of in Scripture.

A the homosexuality condemned in Scripture, and
B same-sex committed relationships are not in the same category, so
C the Bible does not condemn same-sex committed relationships.

Beyond any theology / reading of the text we enter the challenging world of pastoral outworking. Navigating that world is far from simple, yet likewise responding to the conversion of the Gentiles was far from simple to the Jewish believers, and one might suggest that Paul’s letter to the Romans was more aimed at the pastoral and practical issues of how Jewish and Gentile believers issues of their inter-relationship than it was a theological treatise. (it is of course both!) Generosity and grace had to be present in abundance, and will, as always, need to be so again.


1. Martin, D., Sex and the Single Savior: Gender and Sexuality in Biblical Interpretation. Louisville, Kentucky, USA: Westminster John-Knox Press,  2006.

Pauline Texts: Romans

(Sixth post on same-sex relationships.)

One of our great challenges when we read any ancient document is understanding the historical and cultural context being addressed. It is as if we are standing on one side of a glass door that has writing on the other side. We can work hard to get the text turned the right way round (in our heads) so that at least we can read what is on it, but we are still on the other side of the door! If only we could get to the other side we would then be able to see the text in that context, and perhaps we would discover that what is on the ‘door’ could have a context that would help us understand why the writing was there.

The letters that Paul wrote are contingent. Although this does not mean we cannot simply dismiss them as ‘not for us, but for the (e.g.) Corinthians’, but we also cannot simply say ‘for them, therefore all applies to us’. ‘Pay your taxes’ (Paul in Romans) is not as simple as a once-and-for-all verse to be quoted, but was written into a situation where there were major revolts against the unjust and increasing tax burden in Rome. All of that came to a head in the later 50s with major riots. This was the contextual situation that Paul was writing into, so we can legitimately ask if Paul was simply suggesting that ‘pay your taxes so that you do not get caught up in the imminent conflict and violence that will inevitably come’ or if he was giving a universal directive regardless of context. These are the difficulties when seeking to honestly read the Pauline texts.

To illustrate the challenge taking one of Paul’s passages that mentions homosexuality (Rom. 1) a very able scholar Douglas Campbell1 offers a convincing argument for this section to be what is termed prosopopoeia. That term refers to when a writer quotes someone else’s view so that it can be refuted. If that be the case then we would simply have Paul quoting his opponents false teaching, and what was being expressed would certainly not be Paul’s view! This argument has force if there is enough in the context, enough quotes and inferences that the hearers clearly recognise the language and arguments used by this other person. Campbell believes there is.

I quote Campbell above simply to illustrate the challenge that lies before anyone seeking to honestly engage with the text. Now it is my turn!2

Romans 1:18-32 (with 26, 27 being central to the debate)

I put the whole passage below with certain emphases added so that the structure can be better seen. 

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools; and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. They know God’s decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.

Here is a table drawing out what I see as the structure:

They exchanged glory of the immortal God for idols
God gave them up
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie
God gave them up
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural
Likewise the men natural intercourse with women consumed with passion for one another
God gave them up

The critique that Paul is advancing is against the ‘pagan’ Greaco-Roman world with arguments from what is plain (from nature)3 and the structure shows Paul is arguing that the Gentiles exchanged some aspect that would have acted as a boundary for a response that broke that boundary and as they did that there was a consequence. That consequence is not the judgement of God but the result of their behaviour (‘God gave them up’); it is that behaviour that puts them under the judgement of God.4

The ancient non-Jewish world saw sexuality differently from how the modern Western world. The categories of ‘heterosexual’ or ‘homosexual’ were not used. Sexual practice was used as a way of describing what took place, but not sexual orientation. In that society status (with terms such as honour / shame) mattered more than gender, and in order to maintain status a freeborn male had to be the dominant, active partner in any encounter.5 In contrast a woman always had a lower status in society, and it was appropriate that she should be the submissive partner. Thus a high status person had to be the dominant partner; a low status person or someone with no status should be the submissive partner. It was into this that the honour / shame evaluation of situations and behaviour fitted. And in this passage we have statements such as ‘degrading of their bodies’ (1:24, lit. dishonouring), ‘degrading passions’ (1:26) and ‘shameless acts’ (1:27).

Adultery was a shameful act as it dishonoured another marital relationship (and it was sex with another married person that was termed adultery), but if a freeborn man was the active partner, it was socially acceptable to have intercourse with:

  • his own wife.
  • boys (in Greek culture they could be freeborn; Rome restricted this to slaves).
  • slaves (male or female) as they had no honour.
  • prostitutes, male or female as they had no honour.
  • actors and bar staff, because they also had no honour in that culture.

The social landscape allowed for a man to sleep around, provided he took the active role and if he did his sexual behaviour was not classed as adultery.

Paul’s Jewish world strongly linked prostitution with idolatry, and so prostitution was condemned and sex with young boys was seen to have a similar connection to idolatry, and was likewise condemned. The Judaism of the time also frowned upon any type of intercourse that was non-procreative – basically, anything that couldn’t result in a pregnancy. In contrast, the Greco-Roman world generally accepted such practices as anal intercourse.

Judaism and early Christianity not only condemned sex with young boys but listed it as a separate category. Here are a select set of early Christian texts setting ‘corruption of children’ as a separate sexual vice from adultery and immorality:

You shall not murder; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not corrupt children (paidophthorēseis); you shall not be sexually immoral; you shall not steal…
(Didache 2.2 (a teaching manual from about the beginning of the second century)).

You shall not be sexually immoral; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not corrupt children (paidophthorēseis).
(Barnabas 19.4 (a second century letter)).

…how much more shall all the nations appear to be under a curse who practise idolatry, who corrupt children (paidophthorounta), and commit other crimes?
(Justin Martyr, Dial. Trypho 95 (second century)).

You shall not commit adultery. You shall not worship idols. You shall not corrupt children (paidophthorēseis). You shall not steal…
(Clement of Alexandria, Paedagogus 3.12 (early third century)).

Which is more beautiful? To confess the cross, or to attribute to those you call gods adultery and corruption of children (paidophthorias)?
(Athanasius, Vita Antonii 74 (early fourth century)).

One who approves of adulteries and corruption of children (paidophthorias)…
(Gregory of Nazianzen, Adv. Eunomianos (orat. 27) 6 (late fourth century)).

The separation of adultery, sexual immorality (sex with prostitutes, though perhaps a wider term than that) and pederesty / child corruption illustrates how common this practice was. Shocking as that is to us, it is present as an ever-present background within the culture of the non-Jewish world of the New Testament era.

In Romans 1 Paul is using a well known way of writing that is aimed ultimately at trapping the person who is in agreement with his argument. The person is nodding in agreement only to be stung with the:

Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things (2:1).

The Gentile is condemned in the verses in chapter 1 (the language is ‘they’, ‘them’ and ‘theirs’), but the sting in the tail / tale is aimed at the Jew, so that eventually Paul can conclude that ‘all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God’ (Rom. 3:23), with the ‘all’ in context meaning ‘both’: those who are of the covenant and those not.

Those pagans, Paul lays out, worship created things rather than the creator: the cardinal sin of idolatry. The results of idolatry are awful and evil, and God judges those pagans. God gives them up to impurity, dishonourable passions and a debased mind.

The verses at the centre of the sexual lust critique begin with a comment on what took place with the women, who ‘exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural’. It is possible to read this as being a critique of lesbian sex, naming it as ‘unnatural’, and when read as parallel to the critique that follows of males being consumed with passion for one another, it could be read as such, but…

If Paul is critiquing lesbian sex he is unique among ancient writers, and the early church writings of the first 300 years did not understand it this way. He refers to these women as ‘their wives’ and a key is to understand what Paul meant by the phrase ‘unnatural’ (para phusin). It could be argued that he is presenting here a creational argument and that sex has to be between a male and a female, but elsewhere he uses ‘nature’ as a cultural marker (long hair in Corinth for the men, for example). Philo, a Jewish writer / philosopher, roughly contemporaneous to Paul, understood ‘against nature’ in a sexual context to be any sexual activity that could not lead to pregnancy. This would (and with material on pagan worship that I will add below) accord well with Paul’s Jewish background and the thrust of this passage, against nature would then be something like excessive, unrestrained passion. If we add the honour / shame framework we suggest that these women are not taking the passive role of being available only to their husbands6; they would be exchanging natural intercourse with their husbands and overriding all that was considered natural in pursuit of their degrading / dishonouring passions. Rather than understand this as a critique of lesbian sex it better fits the passage, and the language used, to see it as women being consumed by lust, and indulging in practices that Paul as a Jew found abhorrent, and even for Gentiles was ‘against nature’.

Then he comes to the behaviour of the men, or as Paul says ‘males’. It is unlikely that he is seeking to critique all forms of homosexual activity but that which is excessive, abusive and oppresive. The condemnation would certainly include pederasty and it is inconclusive if he is arguing beyond that in this passage.

Pagan worship: ritual sexual practices

We have from the early second Century this description of Cybele worship (the reference to Galli is to the male castrated priests):

On appointed days, the crowd assembles at the sanctuary while many Galli and the holy men whom I have mentioned perform the rites. They cut their arms and beat one another on the back. Many stand about them playing flutes, while many others beat drums. Still others sing inspired and sacred songs. This ceremony takes place outside the temple and none of those who perform it enters the temple. On those days, too, men become Galli. For while the rest are playing flutes and performing the rites, frenzy comes upon many, and many who have come simply to watch subsequently perform this act. … The youth for whom these things lie in store throws off his clothes, rushes to the center with a great shout and takes up a sword, which I believe has stood there for this purpose for many years. He grabs it and immediately castrates himself. Then he rushes through the city holding in his hands the parts he has cut off. He takes female clothing and women’s adornment from whatever house he throws these parts into. This is what they do at the Castration. At death Galli do not receive a burial like other men. Instead, whenever a Gallus dies, his companions lift him up and carry him to the outskirts of the city. They set him down along with the bier with which they carried him. Then they pile up stones upon him and after completing this task they return home. They observe a period of seven days, then enter the sanctuary. If they enter before this time, they commit a sacrilege. In such matters they abide by the following customs: If anyone of them sees a corpse, he does not enter the sanctuary that day. On the following day, after purifying himself, he enters. When the corpse is that of a relative, they observe thirty days, shave their heads and then enter the temple. It is sacrilegious for them to enter sooner (Lucian, De Dea Syria 50-53).

This might be an exaggerated account, but even if so the style of rhetoric was to use such language, and so appropriate to Paul’s style in Romans 1. In Rome the Cybele cult was part of the official calendar, embedded therefore into the culture.

The report of the worship of Cybele could well be something that lies behind the phrase ‘received in their own persons the due penalty for their error’ (castration); another possibility is an oblique reference to Caligula (emperor 37-41) who was stabbed to his death in his genitals and was renowned for his excessive sexual expressions, including adultery and incest.

In reading Romans 1, excessive (against nature) sexual practices were evidently a result of idolatry. The Jew listening to the case being built up against the Gentile would indeed be nodding in agreement! Wrong worship led to all kinds of evils. However, their turn was to come.

Paul, of course might condemn all forms of same-sex activity, but I do not think it is possible to use this chapter, as it stands, to critique all and every same-sex relationship.

We also have to remember that our current use of the word ‘homosexual’ to refer to orientation was not understood in the ancient world. This adds weight to whatever Paul is condemning is not what we understand by the word homosexual. (As per the usury / mortgage example, we are not comparing like with like.)


1. The Deliverance of God (2013).

2. In turning to the NT we enter the wider world of the Graeco-Roman culture. A summary of attitudes and responses to homosexuality in that setting can be helpfully read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome.

3. ‘Nature’ could conceivably be a reference to creation, and so there are those who argue that what Paul critiques is ‘against a creation order’. However, he is writing here with regard to the Gentiles and in that context he is not appealing to Scripture. Using language typical of the contextual ‘Stoic’ philosophies, and also comparing how he uses the word ‘nature’ elsewhere, it seems to be an argument about what was considered ‘natural’. What was considered ‘natural’ was not even a restriction.

4. The Gentiles (without the law) have not lived by the revelation of God that is present in the world – though Paul later seems to acknowledge that there are Gentiles who live by the ‘law’ (2:14, by law he does not mean Torah) – will be judged; as chapter 2 begins it is the Jew (with the law, in the sense of Torah) who will be judged. The style then in the opening section of Romans is rhetorical, exaggerated language, taking the extreme and making it sound as if the critique applies to everyone. As we read this we should also realise that though salvation is individual Paul’s concern is salvation of the world, for salvation is ‘to everyone who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek‘ (1:16); likewise judgement will come in the form of ‘anguish and distress for everyone who does evil,’ and that will be to ‘the Jew first and also the Greek,’ but for those who respond to grace will experience ‘glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.’ Paul’s concern is the world, and salvation is for all, regardless of the relationship to the law, ‘for God shows no partiality’ (2:9-11).

5. Julius Caesar was criticised not for having sex with king Nicomedes of Bythinia, but for taking the ‘passive’ role in the affair.

6. The text calls them ‘their’ women, perhaps indicating a status as married women in view.

Perspectives